On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 7:55 PM Juan Nunez-Iglesias <j...@fastmail.com> wrote:
> On scikit-image, we've moderated *subscriptions*, and only subscribers can > post without being moderated, but still spam gets through, because it's > hard to vet whether an email address is "genuine", so sometimes we allow > the subscription, and immediately receive resulting spam. A "reputation" > system in which the first, say, 3 emails from a user are moderated would be > most useful. I don't think mailman provides this yet. (?) > > My personal impression is that users/newcomers (as opposed to long-time > core developers) definitely prefer Discourse to email. I also think it is a > better experience browsing/searching the archives than mailman, despite > recent improvements to the latter. So, without wanting to minimise the > downsides, I do think that putting everyone on Discourse is the best > approach forward. From what I can tell, none of the mailing lists that have > made the move (Numba, Bokeh, Matplotlib) have regretted it. > > Juan. > +1 I do think Discourse would be a significantly better experience for new users, and would make it easier to get newcomers involved in NumPy. It's simply a much more accessible tool than mailing lists. > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021, at 5:11 PM, Matti Picus wrote: > > On 29/9/21 9:07 pm, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 03:02, Ralf Gommers wrote: > >>> We don't have admin access to the python.org <http://python.org> > >>> lists, so this is a bit of a problem. We have never had a spam > >>> problem, so we can ask to block this user first. If it continues to > >>> happen, we may be able to moderate new subscriber emails, but we do > >>> need to ask for permissions first and I'm not sure we'll get them. > >>> > >>> A better solution longer term is migrating to Discourse, which has > >>> far better moderation tools than Mailman and is also more > >>> approachable for people not used to mailing lists (which is most > >>> newcomers to open source). Migrating is a bit of a pain, but with the > >>> new CZI grant having a focus on improving the contributor experience, > >>> we should be able to do this. > >> > >> I would like to offer the use of https://discuss.scientific-python.org > >> <https://discuss.scientific-python.org>. I would be happy to handle > >> email list migration, and have created the following two categories > >> for NumPy discussion: > >> > >> User discussion: https://discuss.scientific-python.org/c/user/numpy > >> <https://discuss.scientific-python.org/c/user/numpy/19> > >> Contributor discussion: > >> https://discuss.scientific-python.org/c/contributor/numpy > >> <https://discuss.scientific-python.org/c/contributor/numpy/18> > >> > >> We're happy to support this as part of the Scientific Python ecosystem > >> grant, and will give admin rights to anyone on the NumPy developer > >> team who wants to help manage / moderate discussions. > >> > >> Of course, we can also just delete these if the team prefers to have > >> their discussions somewhere else. But I think there is a benefit to > >> bringing community discussions together in one place. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Stéfan > > > > > > Thanks for the offer to host the discussions on discourse. Personally, I > > find the email interface to discourse very clunky. I would prefer we > > exhaust the possibilities to stay on e-mail only before moving to > discourse. > > > > Matti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NumPy-Discussion mailing list -- numpy-discussion@python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to numpy-discussion-le...@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/numpy-discussion.python.org/ > > Member address: j...@fastmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NumPy-Discussion mailing list -- numpy-discussion@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to numpy-discussion-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/numpy-discussion.python.org/ > Member address: sho...@gmail.com >
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