We have already heard about upstate interest in this. The upstate officials don't want to touch this, too hot to handle.
On the other hand, if there is enough pressure applied, you never know.... No, it will not be an easy bill to pass, that is for sure. And this year's event will certainly not be stopped. But no fight worth fighting is ever easy. I say, onward! Here is an interesting situation that is taking place in California, where coyote killing contests take place very regularly: http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewild/hunting/state-may-ban-hunting-contests-for-coyotes-and-other-wildlife.html http://www.newsreview.com/chico/coyote-killings-under-review/content?oid=12743000 Stella "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy ________________________________ From: Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com> To: Colleen spider99 <spide...@stny.rr.com>; Stella Miller <stella.mille...@yahoo.com> Cc: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release That's not the case at all. Maybe I'm not being clear. However the People who ARE participating in this event, already distrust and dislike NYS Government as it is. Again, it's all about perception and as such wording is important. These kind of typos will harden those who support these events to respond as actively as many birders have. The kind of legislation that is proposed will be a major up hill battle. Sadly, Without an upstate senator to co-sponsor the legislation, it is likely dead. Will Raup Albany, NY ________________________________ From: spide...@stny.rr.com To: stella.mille...@yahoo.com CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:36:22 -0400 Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together. There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions that are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put food on the table. Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that out. I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows! So, please don't offend those who are trying to help. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- >From: Stella Miller >To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin >Cc: NYSBIRDS-L >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM >Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > >Hi, > > >I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me. I did >not get a chance to read it until now and see the error. Will is absolutely >correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this. Why should they? As >Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to >them. It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will >reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and >ask if he can amend the release. > > >Thanks for bringing this to attention! > > >Stella > > > > > > > > >"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding >whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread >the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is >between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy > > >________________________________ > From: Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com> >To: Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com> >Cc: Stella Miller <stella.mille...@yahoo.com>; NYSBIRDS-L ><nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM >Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > > > >Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it. >They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say >about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. > > >It's about perception. If the Senator had stated they consulted New York >State DEC in the release would carry more wait. Trust me, having grown up in >that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will >be laughed off because of that one line. And I'm being serious. > > >Will Raup >Albany, NY > > > >________________________________ > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release >From: wingmagi...@gmail.com >To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com >CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > >The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that >the NYC DEC says this is legal. Why would anyone stop reading after that? >The senator refers only to NYS. > >Linda > > > > >On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will >be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, >otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this >as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New >York City. >> >> >>The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that >>particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use that to their >>advantage. >> >> >>Will Raup >>Albany, NY >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 >>From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com >>Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release >>To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu >> >> >> >>Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Stella >> >> >> >> >>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding >>whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread >>the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it >>is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." 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