Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together. There are a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions that are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put food on the table. Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other beloved birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that out. I don't believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows!
So, please don't offend those who are trying to help. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Stella Miller To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin Cc: NYSBIRDS-L Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release Hi, I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me. I did not get a chance to read it until now and see the error. Will is absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this. Why should they? As Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to them. It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask if he can amend the release. Thanks for bringing this to attention! Stella "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Will Raup <[email protected]> To: Linda Orkin <[email protected]> Cc: Stella Miller <[email protected]>; NYSBIRDS-L <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it. They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws. It's about perception. If the Senator had stated they consulted New York State DEC in the release would carry more wait. Trust me, having grown up in that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that one line. And I'm being serious. Will Raup Albany, NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected] The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that the NYC DEC says this is legal. Why would anyone stop reading after that? The senator refers only to NYS. Linda On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup <[email protected]> wrote: Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of New York City. The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use that to their advantage. Will Raup Albany, NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release To: [email protected] Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. Thanks, Stella "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- If you permit this evil, what is the good of the good of your life? -Stanley Kunitz... -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7222 - Release Date: 03/20/14 -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
