Thanks Larry!
Hmmmm, I wonder if the Rip Van Winkle Rod and Gun Club has the same "high
ethical and moral standards" in place that Ducks Unlimited does.
Stella Miller
ps: remember to watch where you take your vacuum, should it need repairs!
"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding
whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread the
understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is
between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
________________________________
From: Larry Federman <birderla...@verizon.net>
To: Rick & Linda Kedenburg <kedenb...@optonline.net>; Stella Miller
<stella.mille...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Colleen / spider99 <spide...@stny.rr.com>; NYSBIRDS-L
<nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
Since my car was being serviced at the body shop listed in the flyer “for
more info”, I needed to remain silent up to this point! Got my car back
today..... Of course had I known they were involved in this, I would have gone
somewhere else, but I have used them for many years.
In any case, I reached out to Assemblyman Lopez, Senator Tkaczy, and US
Representative Chris Gibson on Tuesday. None of them or their staff got
back to me after my initial speaking with their respective staffs. I will try
again after the weekend.
I did speak with one of the guys at the body shop and floated some ideas
his way, one of which of course was to cancel the event. He said he had no
control over that and that I need to talk with the rod and gun club president,
which I will try to do next week.
As to getting the name correct for the agency who writes the laws, I agree
that this is very important, even though many hunters don’t respect NYS DEC
over
their hunting regs in the first place – it just adds credibility to Senator
Avella’s press release.
There are many people in my little community of Palenville who are appalled
by the event and support any efforts to put an end to them. Rallying support
form the legislature will require some work, and will probably need to come
from
a representative whose re-election doesn’t count on taking “the right
stand”.
Below is something that might help us in our cause.
Larry
Federman
President, Northern Catskills Audubon Society
Victory: Ducks
Unlimited 2,000 Bird Pigeon Shoot Cancelled
Posted on March 19, 2014
We are pleased to announce that after receiving complaints about
the event, and less than one day after we released this videoabout the issue,
Ducks Unlimited
has cancelled the shoot!
Here is the
email we just received from Ducks Unlimited:
Dale Hall forwarded me your email
regarding the pigeon shoot and asked that I respond to you directly.
Earlier today, several Ducks Unlimited members contacted headquarters
staff to make us aware that one of our committees was planning to hold a
pigeon shoot as part of a DU event. We have policies in place holding our staff
and local volunteers to high ethical and moral standards, and do not
condone wanton waste of wildlife or other animals. To avoid the potential
for wanton waste, the event committee has decided to change the live pigeon
event to a sporting clays shoot.
Sincerely,
Matt
Matt
Coffey Senior Communications
Specialist DUCKS UNLIMITED
This
is an astounding turn of events; for 20 years Ducks Unlimited has been holding
these “phigeon shoots,” where innocent pigeons have sharp pheasant tail
feathers forced into their backs, and yet within one day, and working
together, we all were able to stop this vicious
shoot.
From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:11 PM
To: Stella Miller
Cc: Colleen / spider99 ; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
I
think we are all on the same side here both upstate & down.
Linda & I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of the
catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned by the NYC
for
watershed & drinking water reasons. We have birded many areas there that are
sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and some of that land is part of the NYC
Watershed.
I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention.
We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville & Denning,
and we would say most are against this type of killing.
Rick
On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote:
I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, but this was
not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives upstate. What I was doing was
agreeing with Will's assessment of the situation. The folks participating in
this event do happen to live "upstate". They will likely not appreciate
interference from folks that live "downstate" such as the Senator. Hence, my
comment. I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives north of
Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am sorry you took it that
way, but I was referring to the people that are behind events such as these.
Please do not turn this into some kind of culture war between downstaters and
upstaters! This is about everyone coming together to put an end to something
that we all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes.
>
>Stella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding
>whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread
>the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it is
>between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Colleen / spider99 <spide...@stny.rr.com>
>To: Stella Miller <stella.mille...@yahoo.com>
>Cc: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>
>
>Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together. There are a number
>of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions that are appalled
>with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of killing, not to put food on
>the table. Even though crows may steal and eat the young of other beloved
>birds, crows have their own predators to hopefully balance that out. I don't
>believe we need to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows!
>
>So, please don't offend those who are trying to help.
>Colleen
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Stella Miller
>>To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin
>>Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
>>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to me. I did
>>not get a chance to read it until now and see the error. Will is absolutely
>>correct, folks upstate will not blink an eye at this. Why should they? As
>>Will points out, it is legal by state DEC laws and that is what matters to
>>them. It is the two different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will
>>reach out to FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and
>>ask if he can amend the release.
>>
>>
>>Thanks for bringing this to attention!
>>
>>
>>Stella
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding
>>whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science to spread
>>the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or people, it
>>is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com>
>>To: Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com>
>>Cc: Stella Miller <stella.mille...@yahoo.com>; NYSBIRDS-L
>><nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM
>>Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>>
>>
>>
>>Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will ignore it.
>> They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York City DEC has to say
>>about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE DEC laws.
>>
>>It's about perception. If the Senator had stated they consulted New York
>>State DEC in the release would carry more wait. Trust me, having grown up
>>in that area and know many who still live there, this statement is junk and
>>will be laughed off because of that one line. And I'm being serious.
>>
>>Will Raup
>>Albany, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400
>>Subject: Re:
[nysbirds-l] Press release
>>From: wingmagi...@gmail.com
>>To: hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
>>CC: stella.mille...@yahoo.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>>
>>
>>The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to say that
>>the NYC DEC says this is legal. Why would anyone stop reading after that?
>>The senator refers only to NYS.
>>
>>Linda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will
>>be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC,
>>otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view
>>this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of
>>New York City.
>>>
>>>The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that
>>>particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use that to their
>>>advantage.
>>>
>>>Will Raup
>>>Albany, NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
>>>From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
>>>Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
>>>To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>Stella
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
>>>holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
>>>to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
>>>people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
>>>Lovejoy
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>>If you permit
>>this evil, what is the good
>>of the good of your life?
>>
>>-Stanley
Kunitz...
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