I think we are all on the same side here both upstate & down. Linda & I do a lot of spring birding in the Frost Valley section of the catskills. There is quite a bit of land in the area that is owned by the NYC for watershed & drinking water reasons. We have birded many areas there that are sportsman clubs along the Willowemoc and some of that land is part of the NYC Watershed. I would think a State Senator from NYC would get some attention. We stay with many good friends from this area, Claryville & Denning, and we would say most are against this type of killing.
Rick On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stella Miller wrote: > I apologize if you felt lumped into the group, and took offense, > but this was not in anyway disparaging everyone that lives > upstate. What I was doing was agreeing with Will's assessment of > the situation. The folks participating in this event do happen to > live "upstate". They will likely not appreciate interference from > folks that live "downstate" such as the Senator. Hence, my > comment. I was certainly not implying that everyone that lives > north of Westchester is some kind of slack jawed yokel and I am > sorry you took it that way, but I was referring to the people that > are behind events such as these. Please do not turn this into some > kind of culture war between downstaters and upstaters! This is > about everyone coming together to put an end to something that we > all find offensive, the killing of animals for fun and prizes. > > Stella > > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, > as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up > to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not > between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy > From: Colleen / spider99 <[email protected]> > To: Stella Miller <[email protected]> > Cc: NYSBIRDS-L <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > Please don't lump all of us who live "upstate" together. There are > a number of us here in the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes regions > that are appalled with crow hunts. It is killing for the sake of > killing, not to put food on the table. Even though crows may steal > and eat the young of other beloved birds, crows have their own > predators to hopefully balance that out. I don't believe we need > to be the ones to hunt them. I love crows! > > So, please don't offend those who are trying to help. > Colleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stella Miller > To: Will Raup ; Linda Orkin > Cc: NYSBIRDS-L > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > Hi, > > I had to run out today right after the press release was sent to > me. I did not get a chance to read it until now and see the > error. Will is absolutely correct, folks upstate will not blink an > eye at this. Why should they? As Will points out, it is legal by > state DEC laws and that is what matters to them. It is the two > different worlds of "downstate" and "upstate"! I will reach out to > FoA, as they have the direct line to the Senator's office, and ask > if he can amend the release. > > Thanks for bringing this to attention! > > Stella > > > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, > as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up > to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not > between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy > From: Will Raup <[email protected]> > To: Linda Orkin <[email protected]> > Cc: Stella Miller <[email protected]>; NYSBIRDS-L <nysbirds- > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:57 PM > Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release > > Because the people who live where this hunt is taking place, will > ignore it. They don't care what a Senator from Queens or New York > City DEC has to say about any of it. It's legal by New York STATE > DEC laws. > > It's about perception. If the Senator had stated they consulted > New York State DEC in the release would carry more wait. Trust me, > having grown up in that area and know many who still live there, > this statement is junk and will be laughed off because of that one > line. And I'm being serious. > > Will Raup > Albany, NY > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:37:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > The senator did not use NYC DEC, the press release did, and only to > say that the NYC DEC says this is legal. Why would anyone stop > reading after that? The senator refers only to NYS. > > Linda > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Will Raup > <[email protected]> wrote: > Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means > it will be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New > York State DEC, otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate > residents who will just view this as another "City" politician who > has no idea what is going on north of New York City. > > The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that > particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use that > to their advantage. > > Will Raup > Albany, NY > > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release > To: [email protected] > > > Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. > > Thanks, > > Stella > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, > as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up > to science to spread the understanding that the choice is not > between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an > impoverished existence for Man." 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