On 19 April 2012 15:52, Alexandro Colorado <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net> wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado < > j...@apache.org> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <j...@apache.org> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the > >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread > >>>>>>>>>>> >> and > >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions > as > >>>>>>>>>>> >> we, > >>>>>>>>>>> >> when > >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the > @openofficeorg > >>>>>>>>>>> > account? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different > >>>>>>>>>>> > direction, > >>>>>>>>>>> > if > >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create > >>>>>>>>>>> > another > >>>>>>>>>>> > one. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue > then > >>>>>>>>>>> said > >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is > >>>>>>>>>> another > >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in > not > >>>>>>>>>> simply > >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so > >>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is > >>>>>>>>>> willing > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he > >>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, > rather > >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do > >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC > >>>>>>>>> control. > >>>>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you > >>>>>>>> talking > >>>>>>>> about? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would > you > >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand > it > >>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor > >>>>>>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO > >>>>>>> PMC, > >>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat > >>>>>>> the blog: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the > >>>>>>> account. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the > >>>>>>> project, not as a personal account." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no > >>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via > >>>>>>> Twitter. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the > >>>>>> account or creating a new one. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this > >>>>>>>>> through > >>>>>>>>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the > Apache > >>>>>>>>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to > this > >>>>>>>>> account. I've updated the website. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are > >>>>>>>> acting > >>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not > your > >>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer > >>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all. I'm creating an account for use > by > >>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter > >>>>>>> account. I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a > project, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts? > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with the > >>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo, > >>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as > to > >>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went > unanswered. > >>>> > >>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be > >>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is > >>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand the > >>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to > >>>> infrastructure. > >>> > >>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move > >>> things on, what's missing on our part? > >> > >> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having > >> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb > >> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to > >> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account > >> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only > >> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for > >> twitter (no fb or G+). > >> > >> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users, > >> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will > >> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that > >> allow us for all to interact. > > > > Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details. > > Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best > > thing to do to share it. > > Is not a matter of trust but responsiveness. We need authentication to > setup these things, infra will slow down the process. At the same time > I do wonder how the ASF and other accounts is being handled currently. > > i dont get the necessity of setting the account up for PPMC at the > moment. If there is a need to publish announcement, they can use > Ping.fm already.
So you are suggesting that we use the Ping.fm until we can find a better method or indeed do it through Infra? That should satisfy all needs. We would have immediacy - just do it and we have the longer term delegation of the account admin. to Infra. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
