On 4/19/12, Ian Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > On 19 April 2012 15:52, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado < >> [email protected]> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch <[email protected] >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions >> as >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> we, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> when >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the >> @openofficeorg >> >>>>>>>>>>> > account? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different >> >>>>>>>>>>> > direction, >> >>>>>>>>>>> > if >> >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to >> >>>>>>>>>>> > create >> >>>>>>>>>>> > another >> >>>>>>>>>>> > one. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue >> then >> >>>>>>>>>>> said >> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there >> >>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>> another >> >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in >> not >> >>>>>>>>>> simply >> >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets >> >>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>>>> get >> >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is >> >>>>>>>>>> willing >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >> >>>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, >> rather >> >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >> >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC >> >>>>>>>>> control. >> >>>>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you >> >>>>>>>> talking >> >>>>>>>> about? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would >> you >> >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand >> it >> >>>>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor >> >>>>>>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking >> >>>>>>> for: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO >> >>>>>>> PMC, >> >>>>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we >> >>>>>>> treat >> >>>>>>> the blog: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the >> >>>>>>> account. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> project, not as a personal account." >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no >> >>>>>>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via >> >>>>>>> Twitter. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the >> >>>>>> account or creating a new one. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Is the question I'm asking clear? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this >> >>>>>>>>> through >> >>>>>>>>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the >> Apache >> >>>>>>>>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to >> this >> >>>>>>>>> account. I've updated the website. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are >> >>>>>>>> acting >> >>>>>>>> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not >> your >> >>>>>>>> reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer >> >>>>>>>> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm not acting on my own at all. I'm creating an account for use >> by >> >>>>>>> any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter >> >>>>>>> account. I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a >> project, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Ok, if I understand it right you're open to provide the PPMC with >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> ability to control that account, that means allign the logo, >> >>>>> description, etc to what the PPMC thinks is appropriate, as well as >> to >> >>>>> have other PPMC members to join the club and tweet. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Is it correct? If not please ask questions you believe went >> unanswered. >> >>>> >> >>>> The point I made before, was about dealing how will structured be >> >>>> handled. I don't think sharing credentials is a good practice. (is >> >>>> like sharing root password through many users). After I understand >> >>>> the >> >>>> methodology I will contribute the account credentials to >> >>>> infrastructure. >> >>> >> >>> Agree 100% on the security side. So, what is needed from us to move >> >>> things on, what's missing on our part? >> >> >> >> Well before cotweet service use to work in this situations having >> >> multiple mantainers, cotweet has change its business model as of feb >> >> 15 and the others are also non-free or beta stage. We will need to >> >> look and try services that will allow us to have multiple account >> >> contributors. I have done my search and at the moment the only >> >> reliable service is the one I mentioned before (Ping.fm) but only for >> >> twitter (no fb or G+). >> >> >> >> Ping.fm is only useful for publishing, not interacting with users, >> >> which is also a problem. BirdHeard seems to be beta and will >> >> eventually charge for this, so we need to look for a service that >> >> allow us for all to interact. >> > >> > Just give Infra control, and let them sort out those details. >> > Unless you don't trust Infra - hope not - this seems to me the best >> > thing to do to share it. >> >> Is not a matter of trust but responsiveness. We need authentication to >> setup these things, infra will slow down the process. At the same time >> I do wonder how the ASF and other accounts is being handled currently. >> >> i dont get the necessity of setting the account up for PPMC at the >> moment. If there is a need to publish announcement, they can use >> Ping.fm already. > > > So you are suggesting that we use the Ping.fm until we can find a better > method or indeed do it through Infra? That should satisfy all needs. We > would have immediacy - just do it and we have the longer term delegation of > the account admin. to Infra.
Yes, I think we can all contribute through Ping.fm, until we settle a service that will allow us interaction. Once we have stabilization we can pass it to infra. > > -- > Ian > > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) > > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and > Wales. > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
