I'm currently developing a code base for this organizational project in Javascript. I'm not doing it directly in Javascript, but rather I'm onto path to build a kind of functional language which would be used to base the organizational project onto. If you can get along with this terms, I'm open for collaboration. I have a lots of free time for now. If you think that a functional language is an overkill, we can still exchange some ideas, just for fun :)
2017-10-03 11:34 GMT+02:00 Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org>: > Yes. My focus at the moment, frankly, is oriented toward raising the > funds required to make this happen... > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Mark Nuzz <nuzz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ivan, > > > > This is essentially the vision I have for the project too. I wish I could > > say that it could be done by a determined volunteer, but the logistics > are > > very difficult for pulling this off. It would require multiple > experienced > > and skilled engineers working full-time, possibly paid. That isn't going > to > > happen by itself. > > > > Maybe there is a realistic path to making it happen. Let's talk in more > > detail later since I'm interested too, but I can't promise any > commitment as > > its tough these days for me to put in the hours in addition to what > keeps my > > bills paid... > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2017 9:50 PM, "Ivan Vodišek" <ivan.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > But Ivan, no one forks opencog; almost all extensions are placed back > >> > into the core code base. > >> > >> I'm aware of that. If someone forks the entire project, it would have > been > >> called some other name. I was referring to an imaginary system where the > >> whole project would be a set of modules that work together, connected by > >> well known set of interfaces. Each module could be modified or forked > out in > >> parallel with the original. It would be up to a user, which sub-forks > she/he > >> would choose to use to run the project, or to base her/his contribution > on. > >> Probably there would be a need for combination maintainers, something > like > >> persons that would choose different flavors of the project, and would > >> propose their "deejay-combo" to the public, optimized for this or that > use. > >> Sub-fork combinations of low quality would be avoided, while really > useful > >> ones would live on. Just a bit of brainstorming in a direction of > >> decentralization. The goal is to have industry-strength project > abilities > >> with liberal multi-user maintaining policy. It is on my long-term to-do > >> list, but I could share my thoughts with someone who wants to implement > it > >> sooner. > >> > >> Thank you all for your patience :) > >> > >> > >> 2017-10-03 4:33 GMT+02:00 Linas Vepstas <linasveps...@gmail.com>: > >>> > >>> Hi Anastasios, > >>> > >>> Yes. But first: complaining that opencog is written in C++ is like > >>> complaining about the fact that the linux kernel on your cellphone is > >>> written in C. Who cares? It does not affect 99.9999% of all cellphone > users > >>> because they do not write kernel device drivers. > >>> > >>> Think of the atomspace as being like an OS kernel. You probably should > >>> not be writing new C++ extensions it. Instead, you should be writing > apps > >>> for it. The apps are where the action is. > >>> > >>> So far, we've offered maybe half-a-dozen app APIs for it, with varying > >>> degrees of success. > >>> > >>> Having an instance on the cloud would be great, where people could spin > >>> up an instance, and log into it. I've long long wanted to do this; > hell, I > >>> could just throw an old PC onto my internet connection. I don't have > time to > >>> mess with this. > >>> > >>> For cloud-cog, the only thing available would be the app API's, and > maybe > >>> that would make the bitching about C++ stop... > >>> > >>> --linas > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Anastasios Tsiolakidis > >>> <hellene...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well isn't OpenCog having a busy weekend :) As a lurker I have already > >>>> expressed my dissatisfaction at "advanced C++" which is the trend in > the > >>>> project, and would probably carry over my disapproval of "idiomatic > C#". > >>>> There is absolutely no reason for the coding to be more difficult to > >>>> comprehend that OpenCog's design itself. If anything, the code should > make > >>>> plain and simple what the bloody design is trying to do! Now, my > particular > >>>> wet dream would be to see people pulling together their own "free > >>>> resources", like the free tiers at AWS, Google Cloud etc, to create a > >>>> hive-mind. If somebody was brilliant enough to throw away big chunks > of the > >>>> code and instead achieve (some of) the same results with a DB of > sorts, AWS > >>>> lambda etc, that would be quite something. Then, for the parts that > don't > >>>> fit the "cloud" box, if someone could come up with the "CloudCog", > some > >>>> probabilistic graph, inference engine or whatever is missing from the > garden > >>>> variety PAAS and SAAS, then we could really be heading somewhere. I > don't > >>>> know much about the project beyond the demos, but I do believe the > project > >>>> is being hurt by the general unavailability of a constantly running > instance > >>>> that "does something", whatever that maybe, and somehow can be > accessed by > >>>> the public, eg through an API. Presumably this new hedge fund thing > may be > >>>> the closest OpenCog has come to being a 24/7 system, and Ben will > probably > >>>> tells us if he finds out a better way to do things with and without > this > >>>> codebase > >>>> > >>>> AT > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "opencog" group. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>> an email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/2668e4aa-5324- > 4a66-9786-c795daad157c%40googlegroups.com. > >>>> > >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> "The problem is not that artificial intelligence will get too smart and > >>> take over the world," computer scientist Pedro Domingos writes, "the > problem > >>> is that it's too stupid and already has." > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "opencog" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >>> email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35uH4eecM_zh% > 3DvnNXwMtTUwEkv9qSXOGBCQjgw1kd0How%40mail.gmail.com. > >>> > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "opencog" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAB5%3Dj6X_ > KLTw1t1HaX1YK4TDPuvGNScUaN%3DVE0ncvKcQNJZufw%40mail.gmail.com. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "opencog" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAMyYmr8fZTmm7Z% > 3D_kqLWsX3W5NcTE-Dvb6U4zEmDmp%2BSmLzPpw%40mail.gmail.com. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "I am God! 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