That is not a good thing, I do agree, but at the same time - I'd say it's
Solaris that needs to improve in this regard. If people can't use your
product properly (95% of the time to use your statistic) then something is
wrong with the usability of your product. Not the (95%) of people. Not
saying a competent Solaris admin can't run the OS for all it's worth. Just
competent Solaris admin's are few and far inbetween if 95% is indeed the
amount who are not. If this is the case, then usability is the flaw. Now,
if 5% can't use the features, I'd blame the 5% for being ignorant.

That depends greatly on the society in which one lives; where I landed, people think only of vacation. That's the most discussed and also the most advertized topic here.

It is not uncommon for the people here to work for six to eight months, then take three months or even a year of (unpaid) vacation -- they earn that much money in a year -- and fly off to Thailand or some place like that.

With that said, nobody here wants to be bothered with figuring out how computers work -- they do it because they recognize it's necessary, but beyond that, they want nothing to do with them.

And this is precisely the reason why I know only two native Solaris experts in the whole country... one of which has worked for Sun prior to me meeting him, the other which has worked as a consultant for the bigest enterprises in the same said country.

What I'm getting at, the knowledge of anything non-Windows here is dismal, a complete and total catastrophy. These guys are completely out of touch with reality.

I think anybody who was really good with Solaris, would have no problem
getting a position above one of these "clicky clicky" folks. They'd
probably be better at the "clicky clicky" too. I don't see how it would be
hard at *all* to get a job if you knew Solaris well.

And this would be true, were we in the United States, but we're not any more. Some of us moved to another continent where the mentality is very different and where people don't look at how competent you are, but at other things first.

I'm new to Solaris. I'm not a stupid person (I would like to think...)
Solaris administration has a huge learning curve. Would you blame me for
my difficulties in using it? I've stuck with it and I've come to like it a

No, of course I wouldn't! But You said it Yourself, you're at the beginning of a journey, whereas I deal with people that go as "experts" in the field of Computer Science and Information Technology, and yet are clueless on UNIX in general, let alone Solaris.

lot, but that doesn't mean I think the admin/user experience is very good.
It's a beautiful OS technically, but it's pretty damn ugly usability wise.
For me, the technical value makes the learning curve worthwhile, but for
companies who would have to employ 5 Solaris gurus at hundreds of
thousands a year to maintain a bunch of servers, vs. a dozen linux guys at

In truth, You only need one senior system engineer (not a sysadmin) who'll architect the infrastrucuture for You. After that, the systems install, configure and admin themselves. And precisely that is the beauty and power of Solaris. For this is where Solaris excels.

15-20/hour who "got the job done", a lot would go the cheaper route.

Let me tell You about "Linux guys who get the job done". About a year and a half ago, one of the gigs I did was at a small startup which was roughly 50-50 Windows-Linux, and 2 Solaris hosts. The "Linux guys who got the job done", left behind a pile of vanilla PC-buckets laid down sideways in rack shelves. The installed base was a salad of anything from RedHat 9 (in production, no less!) to RHES to SuSE 9. The systems were all hacked up, literally hacked up (there were vanilla buckets with additional fans soldered onto the motherboard and fastened with twisty ties!) The configuration of these systems was anything but standard, each system was configured differently, and NONE of the systems worked correctly. So much for the Linux guys.

Once they made a mess and realized they'll drown, they quit and went to hack stuff up together somewhere else.

Should I add that the job was a system engineer's worst nightmare, or did You get that for the description already?

Worst of all, "the management" WOULD NOT ALLOW me to replace these hacked-together systems with Solaris; talk about an exit barrier! So when one of the biggest financial enterprises in the world offered me a chance to consult for them, I went back to the roots, to work with Solaris. And I never regretted that decision.


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