>   I think the problem is one of perception.

Maybe your own?

>   I perceive that the OpenSolaris project is about opening the source
>   to Solaris.

That is why it's called OpenSolaris..

>   The problem is that Solaris is a product.

Why exactly is this a problem? It's been no problem for RedHat (Fedora)
and now SuSE (OpenSuSE). It's actually helped them out, tremendously.

>   That product wants to now include Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL and
>   a number of other things.  These did not all exist in Solaris 8
>   and certainly SeaMonkey, GNU chess and Scribus never did.

Ok.

>   These have all been addressed at great expense of personal effort
>   and extending partnerships within the Solaris Community.

That's wonderful that you (the community) did that on their free time/of
their own free will.

>   I perceive that Sun would now like to replace all of that with
>   some new project in order to get all things open source, Linux
>   or BSD or UNIX world or maybe even Windows based, into the software
>   product known as Solaris in some sort of supported fashion.

Perception can be wrong, as you stated. I see it as pretty clear Sun wants
to make a forum for us to discuss these kinds of issues, the end. They
don't care what solution arises, as whatever it is will better
OSOL/Solaris, and ultimately generate them more revenue.

>   This is something that the Solaris Community has already been working
>   at.
>
Great.

>   Essentially, the lists server is at :
>
>     https://lists.blastwave.org/mailman/listinfo
>
>   Join the Solaris Community Software project ( CSW ) and join in.
>
>   Get a login userid and get involved.  Tell the world that you want
>   a package built for AMD64 on Solaris 10 Update 1 and you also want
>   the same software for Solaris 8 sun4m.  Then build both.  Submit
>   them both.  Do testing.  Release them.  Smile.

I'm tired of seeing mails telling me to go signup at Blastwave if I want
to talk about OSS software packaging on OSOL! I don't want yet *another*
place I have to go to get information about OSOL. This isn't Blastwave
discussion, these aren't topics that only relate to Blastwave. This *is*
OSOL.

I'm personally so agitated at how this is being handled I will *never*
even *consider* using Blastwave again, period. Not only that, but every
client I provide a solution for will be told to avoid Blastwave. I don't
like being told I'm not allowed to do things simply because somebody else
feels it's overlapping with what they do. Sorry, but life doesn't work
like that, and it especially isn't true of OSS. I can do as I please, and
there is nothing you can do to stop me from it.

So, because you feel that somehow *a discussion forum* created by Sun is
going to put your project in the street, *I* am not allowed to have it?
Sun is not allowed to have it? That's quite funny!

I'm done with this topic, let me know when the new forum is up.

David

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