On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I threw in my -1 for a very specific reason, and that's that I don't think that this project benefits us ( where "us" is the opensolaris community ), and is at best a distraction & a sink for developer talent that could be better used towards creating an open process.
I disagree. Those developers need input. To get input they need a user base. Right now, that user base almost entirely consists of Solaris users and not OpenSolaris users which means things are skewed in a particular direction.
On 5/31/07, Giles Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (sorry for the duplicates...do you want this on osol or not?) > > > > Open development agreed and things are moving in that direction from > > > what I see. I do feel that a distro to jump start a larger user base > > > that is different from Sun's current clients. I do not see why Sun > > > being involved in it would drive new users away unless Sun adds enough > > > strings to their OpenSolaris distro such that they discourage new > > > users. > > > > > > > Sun seems to be trying to use ian-diana to attract new community > > members, I'm trying to make the point that if they want to do that, > > they should stop wasting time with this silly project and get to doing > > the things that actually will benefit the developer community > > Scratch 'developer community'. developer-communities should stay > behind closed doors where they belong if that is what they want. So then what's the point of "open" at all? If you don't concern yourself with developers, you may as well just buy an off the shelf product and forget open-source even exists
Sorry, I should have had 'developer-only'. What is the point of an open developer-only community?
> > > > > > > > > > As it stands we have a bug database behind sun's firewall that stuff occasionally goes missing from and other times is entirely useless ( "see description" isn't a useful description ), and a code repo which is similarly behind sun's walls. > > > > > > That is another problem and not related to this thread. Please start > > > your own thread if you must. > > > > > > > > > > > As for the distro idea itself, if sun wants to build another distro, that's their perogative, but we already have a couple fine unencumbered distros as it is ( BeleniX, Nexenta ), so what's the point of this one, beyond another product that Sun Microsystems can sell support for? > > > > > > Even if it is only so that Sun Microsystems can sell support for it, > > > it is not unreasonable for the parent to get a little something back > > > from their child. > > > > > > > Again, if sun wants to make a new opensolaris distro, that's their > > prerogative... the license allows for that. They just shouldn't try to > > hijack the community machinery to make it look like it's anything more > > than a Sun Microsystems product > > Why should Sun not be allowed to have one of their products in the > community? How are they hijacking the community? > They're hijacking the community by trying to use our community machinery as an engine for press releases about new products.
Sun is part of the community.
We already have a bunch of distros, and ian-diana isn't going to attract new people to the project any more than belenix and nexenta will, it's just going to take users from the other ( actually community-run ) distributions. So then why not just use Belenix? why do we need iandiana at all, if not just so that Sun can keep controlling things instead of handing them off to the community like they should be doing?
If a Sun OpenSolaris distro does take users from the other distros (community run? right...I thought this was about a community distro?) then they are likely suffering for reasons other than the fact that a Sun OpenSolaris distro exists. _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
