Shawn Walker wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 2:35 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Shawn Walker wrote: >> >>> On Feb 6, 2008 2:26 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Shawn Walker wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 6, 2008 1:16 PM, Joerg Schilling >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Compared to bash, /bin/sh (the Burne Shell) is bug-free. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think you'll find many users that agree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> This is because most bash users don't understand POSIX nor >>>>>> care about bugs. They are not even interested in knowing the >>>>>> reason for a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Exactly! So why not give them a shell that is POSIX and that is full >>>>> featured and provides something that makes them feel much more at >>>>> home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> How is that an 'Exactly!'??? >>>> >>>> If they don't understand what it means to be POSIX? and they don't care >>>> if there are bugs, or care why things are the way they are, How will >>>> they notice that you've given them these things they don't care or know >>>> enough to recognize? >>>> >>>> >>> They do care and they do recognize bugs and problems with Solaris /bin/sh. >>> >>> GNU/Linux users don't notice these issues with bash is what Joerg was >>> talking about. >>> >>> >>> >> ANd giving them ksh (or even dash I imagine) on Solaris isn't going to >> be that noticeable then, or any better. Theonly thing they'll >> appreciate is giving them bash complete with it's bugs. >> > > A working backspace key isn't going to be noticed? > > I was under the (possibly wrong) imporession that that was a terminfo, or other terminal definition problem. Not the shell. > Their programs suddenly working without requiring the shell scripts > for them to be changed isn't noticeable? > > And people who's programs ans shell scripts suddenly stop working won't be noticeable?
Who's going to check all the scripts in the world and update them? Not just the scripts in solaris itself. Just think of all the Per or Post install or remove scripts in the packages in BlastWave, or aome other repository? What solaris user is going to be happy when they want to install VRTSvxfs pacakge and it fails? If you want to be able to write modern portable POSIX shellscripts then you should push for all the other UNIXes to have a /bin/ksh, and write your scripts with #!/bin/ksh With the exception of Linux (and you might be able to fix that for your machines with 'ln /bin/sh /bin/ksh' - I don't know.) I'm pretty sure the other unixes already have a decent ksh. -Kyle > Working locale support won't be noticed? > > Forgive me, but I think you don't realise just how broken /bin/sh is. > > >>>> How will it make them more at home? >>>> >>>> >>> A modern shell, such as ksh93, has functionality and locale support >>> that is near equivalent or superior to bash. >>> >>> >>> >> But if they don't care, why would they notice? >> > > They do care and do notice. > _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
