On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robert Milkowski <mi...@task.gda.pl> wrote: > On 24/07/2010 02:39, Shawn Walker wrote: >> >> On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >>> >>> Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and >>> decidedly not FOSS manner. >> >> Sorry, but that's simply not true. >> >> The pkg(5) project has been one of the few projects that is actually very >> open. It was the first to use defect.opensolaris.org for bugtracking, it's >> licensed under the CDDL, and at the moment any contributor (even external >> ones) can get commit access upon approval by the project team members. >> >> It has active, external contributors to the project (including myself at >> one point a few years ago before I was employed for the project), and is one >> of the few to push almost all design and development discussions onto a >> public os.org mailing list. >> >> Remember that this community and the projects that provide the basis for >> various OpenSolaris distributions remain largely a meritocracy -- those that >> do the work get to make the decisions. >> >> There are plenty of open source projects that have made decisions >> unpopular with their user community. That doesn't make those projects any >> less FOSS, nor does it justify claims of "forcing" something on a community. >> > I have yet to see any large FOSS project which does some kind of community > voting, or something like that. > I agree with you 100%. > > The only problem I can see in regards to how IPS was introduced that perhaps > more explanation to the community at the project inception about why IPS and > not something else would do good... a little bit more open dialog with the > community before you start coding on why IPS, what are its design goals, > etc. would help here. As most of it happened well after you made your mind > and started coding therefor some people felt being disregarded. But after > this you are right - it's probably one of the most open projects here. > > But honestly, it is only a relatively small group of people here who are > complaining about IPS design - but then they do not propose (code please) > any real alternative. Most of the end-users I know do like IPS actually - > they used to complain that it is slow (which is still the case sometimes) or > that it consumes too much memory which is especially visible on notebooks, > etc. But generally they do like it and one can see how it has been improving > over time. >
To stir the pot here, since we are discussing a "Community Distro" as opposed to a SUN/Oracle distro, IPS when used remotely from halfway across the world has large performance issues. For example in Bangalore I personally know no one outside the SUN India office who have successfully updated packages on their OpenSolaris installations let alone do an image-update in a sane amount of time. In comparison things like YUM or Apt-Get are reasonable even over 512Kbps. Having said that I am not going to make vague statements. I will do my own testing over a 2Mbps broadband link and post measurements. Regards, Moinak. -- ================================ http://www.belenix.org/ http://moinakg.wordpress.com/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
