Hello Med and Eric,

I have added the reference to draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm in the sain 
architecture draft.

https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-service-assurance-architecture-11
 

Thanks  !

Jean

> -----Original Message-----
> From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Vyncke
> (evyncke)
> Sent: Tuesday 18 October 2022 08:23
> To: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com; The IESG <i...@ietf.org>
> Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; opsawg-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-
> service...@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-opsawg-
> yang-vpn-service-pm-13: (with COMMENT)
> 
> Hello Med,
> 
> Thank you for such a prompt reply.
> 
> While my comments were non-blocking, I really appreciate your time to
> reply. I agree with most of them, for the remaining look below for EV> (and
> feel free to ignore)
> 
> Regards
> 
> -éric
> 
> 
> On 18/10/2022, 09:07, "mohamed.boucad...@orange.com"
> <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Éric,
> 
>     Thank you for the comments.
> 
>     Please see inline.
> 
>     I let my co-authors further comment as appropriate.
> 
>     Cheers,
>     Med
> 
> ... %< a lot of text elided ....
> 
>     >
>     > ### Relationship with other OPSAWG documents
>     >
>     > Just curious: it this work somehow related to
>     > draft-ietf-opsawg-service-assurance-architecture ? I.e., should
>     > this document
>     > add some reference to the service assurance I-Ds ?
> 
>     [Med] Both drafts refer to RFC8969 which provides the overall framework.
> The assurance draft defines an architecture that can consume the data
> exposed by means of I-D.ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm. I-D.ietf-
> opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm does not assume nor preclude that SAIN is in
> place.
> 
>     If I have to make a change, I would make it in draft-ietf-opsawg-service-
> assurance-architecture, e.g.,
> 
> EV> up to the SAIN authors of course and not a bad suggestion of yours
> 
>     OLD:
>        Service orchestrators use Network service YANG modules that will
>        infer network-wide configuration and, therefore the invocation of the
>        appropriate device modules (Section 3 of [RFC8969]).  Knowing that a
>        configuration is applied doesn't imply that the service is up and
>        running as expected.  For instance, the service might be degraded
>        because of a failure in the network, the experience quality is
>        distorted, or a service function may be reachable at the IP level but
>        does not provide its intended function.  Thus, the network operator
>        must monitor the service operational data at the same time as the
>        configuration (Section 3.3 of [RFC8969]).  To feed that task, the
>        industry has been standardizing on telemetry to push network element
>        performance information.
> 
>     NEW:
>        Service orchestrators use Network service YANG modules that will
>        infer network-wide configuration and, therefore the invocation of the
>        appropriate device modules (Section 3 of [RFC8969]).  Knowing that a
>        configuration is applied doesn't imply that the service is up and
>        running as expected.  For instance, the service might be degraded
>        because of a failure in the network, the experience quality is
>        distorted, or a service function may be reachable at the IP level but
>        does not provide its intended function.  Thus, the network operator
>        must monitor the service operational data at the same time as the
>        configuration (Section 3.3 of [RFC8969]).  To feed that task, the
>        industry has been standardizing on telemetry to push network element
>        performance information (e.g., [I-D.ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm]).
> 
>     > ### Section 3
>     >
>     > Suggest to explain why in `Models are key for automating network
>     > management
>     > operations.`.
> 
>     [Med] RFC8969 provides a detailed discussion about this. I suggest to make
> this change:
> 
>     OLD:
>        Models are key for automating network management operations.
>        According to [RFC8969], together with service and network models,
>        performance measurement telemetry models are needed to monitor
>        network performance to meet specific service requirements (typically
>        captured in an SLA).
> 
>     NEW:
>        Models are key for automating network management operations
> (Section 3 of [RFC8969]).
>        Particularly, together with service and network models,
>        performance measurement telemetry models are needed to monitor
>        network performance to meet specific service requirements (typically
>        captured in an SLA).
> 
> EV> good for me
> 
>     > ### Section 4.3
>     >
>     > Just curious about why `mac-num-limit` is used rather than
>     > `maximum-mac-entries` for consistency with the previous entries?
> 
>     [Med] Good catch. I suggest we go for "limit-number" to be consistent
> with this part from RFC8407:
> 
>     "Child nodes within a container or list SHOULD NOT
>        replicate the parent identifier"
> 
> EV> good point
> 
>     >
>     > ### Section 4.4
>     >
>     > Would it be useful to split `inbound-non-unicast` into broadcast
>     > and multicast ?
>     >
> 
>     [Med] This was raised also by Rob during his review
> (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/opsawg/bGqJ7V2EvVzJv7H-Xi2Y-
> jIOsKw/). Please search for "bum".
> 
> EV> still unsure though ;-)
> 
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