John, I have no objection to Oracle trying to make money (heck, I own stock, I WANT and expect them to make money!)
The problem is not that they are trying to make money, but that this is becoming something you HAVE to do/have to get a job working with Oracle. And they haven't convinced me of the value of that piece of paper. I know way too many certified DBAs who I wouldn't trust to even query my databases. Rachel --- orantdba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm, > > Imagine that, a publicly traded company that it trying to make > money, I > am shocked > dismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight. > > Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies that are not > trying to make money? > I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their > products. > > John :-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'd say the cost is being raised. Look at the requirements for > each. > > You can't just take the OCM exam. No we would first have to get > the > > OCA. Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have > it. > > Then, and only then, can we take the OCP. Then and only then, can > we > > take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from > > Oracle Ed. So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still, > has > > to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from > memory > > before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other > > > certs that have no value to them. Call me a cynic, but to me, this > is > > nothing but a money grab. > > > > From the website: > > > > --To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required > > -- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role. > Typically, > > --two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the > Internet, > > --while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. > By > > --completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward > achieving the > > -- Oracle Certified Professional credential. > > > > > > --To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all > > required exams > > --in your selected job role, including those at the Associate > level. > > > > > > --To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle > > --Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM > credential > > --requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses > from > > --the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum > exam. > > > > > > --Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: The OCP bar is being raised > > > > > > Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) > > Achievement > > > > A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted > database > > professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of > > > Professional > > Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on > > Certification, 58% of > > respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle > > > Certified > > Professionals-Database Administrators. > > > > To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of > > professional > > achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and > Java > > Developers > > worldwide): > > > > The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle > > qualification > > requiring successful completion of two exams. > > The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for > Oracle > > Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a > > practicum exam > > on-sitee at an Oracle University education center. > > Visit > > > http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html > > > > > for more information > > > > IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001 > > crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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