RE: The OCP bar is being raised

[Kimberly Smith]

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Actually it is improved.  First off they really have not changed all that much.  They added an exam.  And its an exam

where you actually have to do stuff is my understanding.  That is a good thing.  As for the OCA.  Even that is not a

new concept.  They always had a certified operator that was one exam.  Now its called something different and its two

exams.  But now you can actually use those exams to go to the next level if you want. 

 

All they need to do is improve on the quality of the testing to ensure that idiots cannot pass it.  However, you also should

not have to be a senior DBA to pass it.  A good solid DBA should be able to pass it easily.  That is what it should test

for.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bowes, Chris
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised

Wait a minute.  I never said it was bad for companies to make money.  My past posts on microsoft should have made that clear.  If Oracle can get away with it, then hey, more power to them.   My point was that they are trying to make this look oh so nice by saying "it's improved!  Look at the hoops you have to go to get the OCM, they have to be good".  When really all the new levels do is require more cash for the qualified people and allow bookworms to advance to a second level without experience.  Fortuneately I believe in the wonders of market forces.  If enough people say, "yeah right, I got your OCM right here", it'll die.  If not, then when I go for certificatinon, I'll see you in OCA 101...   :)

 

--Chris

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: orantdba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:36 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: The OCP bar is being raised

Hmmm,

Imagine that,  a publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I am shocked
dismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.  

Chris,  could you provide me with the list of companies that are not trying to make money?
I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their products.

John :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd say the cost is being raised.  Look at the requirements for each.  You can't just take the OCM exam.  No we would first have to get the OCA.  Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have it.  Then, and only then, can we take the OCP.  Then and only then, can we take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed.  So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still, has to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from memory before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other certs that have no value to them.  Call me a cynic, but to me, this is nothing but a money grab.

From the website:

--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required
-- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role. Typically,
--two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the Internet,
--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. By
--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward achieving the
-- Oracle Certified Professional credential.

--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all required exams
--in your selected job role, including those at the Associate level.

--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle
--Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM credential
--requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses from
--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum exam.

--Chris

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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM
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Subject: The OCP bar is being raised

Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:
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Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) Achievement
 
A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted database
professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of Professional
Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on Certification, 58% of
respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle Certified
Professionals-Database Administrators.

To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of professional
achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and Java Developers
worldwide):

The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle qualification
requiring successful completion of two exams.
The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for Oracle
Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a practicum exam
on-sitee at an Oracle University education center.
Visit
http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html
for more information

IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001
crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001
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