Re: The OCP bar is being raised

[orantdba]

Hi Rachel,

Now we are to the point,  is it valuable?  I say yes and I have studied for and
passed the ocp for 7, upgraded to 8 and to 8i and will soon take the 9i upgrade
test.  I also hold the Oracle 7 certification that was offered by Chauncey before
the Oracle came out with the OCP.  Others say it is not.  It is their dollar, and
they can spend it as they wish.

Ultimately the market decides value,  I don't believe that any sane manager of DBA's
would hire someone just because they are ocp's.  Managers would tend to value
relevant experience, the interview process, and degrees well before looking at ocp's.

So why do I think it is important?  The first person who sees your resume is usually
in the HR department.  They cannot hire you but they can file your resume in the
circular file.  Cute little designations like OCA, OCP, OCM, MCP, MCSE, CNE, etc
help get you past those people and on to the people who can actually understand you
when you talke about performing block dumps and interrogating the itl.  Those people
can say yes and will because of my experience and interview presence.  They will
probably not care one bit about the cute little designations, but it is irrevelant if I don't
get to talk to them.

I have had the discussion at oow, etc with more than a few people (perhaps even you)
asking if you had two candidates with exactly the same criterias but one had OCP and
one didn't which would you hire?  This is a little like the "If god is all powerful can he make
a rock so big that he himself cannot pick it up" question.  In the case described above I would
probably go to things like "Which is cheaper?",  "Which had experience that most matched my
project?",  " Which had the best personality match for my group?".  I don't think OCP would
make that much of a difference.

John

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

John,

I have no objection to Oracle trying to make money (heck, I own stock,
I WANT and expect them to make money!)

The problem is not that they are trying to make money, but that this is
becoming something you HAVE to do/have to get a job working with
Oracle. And they haven't convinced me of the value of that piece of
paper. I know way too many certified DBAs who I wouldn't trust to even
query my databases.

Rachel

--- orantdba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hmmm,

Imagine that,  a publicly traded company that it trying to make
money, I 
am shocked
dismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.  

Chris,  could you provide me with the list of companies that are not 
trying to make money?
I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their 
products.

John :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd say the cost is being raised.  Look at the requirements for

each.  

You can't just take the OCM exam.  No we would first have to get

the 

OCA.  Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have

it.  

Then, and only then, can we take the OCP.  Then and only then, can

we 

take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from 
Oracle Ed.  So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still,

has 

to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from

memory 

before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other

certs that have no value to them.  Call me a cynic, but to me, this

is 

nothing but a money grab.

From the website:

--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required
-- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role.

Typically,

--two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the

Internet,

--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment.

By

--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward

achieving the

-- Oracle Certified Professional credential.


--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all 
required exams
--in your selected job role, including those at the Associate

level.

--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle
--Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM

credential

--requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses

from

--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum

exam.

--Chris


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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM
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Subject: The OCP bar is being raised


Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:

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Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) 
Achievement
 
A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted

database

professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of

Professional
Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on 
Certification, 58% of
respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle

Certified
Professionals-Database Administrators.

To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of 
professional
achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and

Java 

Developers
worldwide):

The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle 
qualification
requiring successful completion of two exams.
The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for

Oracle

Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a 
practicum exam
on-sitee at an Oracle University education center.
Visit

http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html

for more information

IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001
crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001

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