instance recovery time is more manageable in 9i -- mttr_fast_start_target in the init.ora.
For a time, in version 6, Oracle said you HAD to use shutdown abort, that a shutdown immediate could corrupt the database (that was an "undocumented feature") I've had cases where the regular, automated backup procedure did a shutdown immediate. And because some programmer had left an ad hoc query running, the database did not shut down, the backup did not complete and when the users came in in the morning, they couldn't access the database. If you are going to use shutdown immediate, you need to be aware that it could hang, and leave your database in an "half-life" state -- neither shutdown nor started up. Make sure you have a process that monitors how long the shutdown immediate is taking and either alerts you that the time is excessive or kills the shutdown immediate and does a shutdown abort. And if you do a shutdown abort as standard practice, I'd suggest following it immediate with "startup restrict" and then "shutdown" for a clean shutdown --- Mark Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think the issue is so much about whether Oracle recovery can > handle > a database crash or not. I think the issue is whether you want to > spend > the time of going through that process. I'm sure recovery can also > handle > the server being powered cycled but how many people do that without > shutting down Oracle first? > > Since we had a car analogy already in this thread... I'm confident > that > the seat belts in my car work but I'm in no rush to test them out, > and even > if they do work I'm likely to end up bruised anyway. > > I guess the bruising my equate to overtime spent recovering the > database... > Oh, I hate trying to make really good analogies. > > > > > > Rachel > > Carmichael To: Multiple recipients > of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: > > ahoo.com> Subject: RE: dbshut > script - shutdown or shutdown immediate > Sent by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > om > > > > > > 03/04/2003 > > 12:33 > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > yeah so? are you suggesting that Oracle instance recovery can't > handle > a database crash? If so, better pray your server never crashes. > > > --- "Pardee, Roy E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well... my official oracle instructor in dba larva school said that > > it's > > tantamount to crashing the db--or so I recall anyway. This isn't > so? > > > > Peace, > > > > -Roy > > > > Roy Pardee > > Programmer/Analyst > > SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT > > Extension 8487 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Chris Berry wrote: > > > > > Shutdown abort is pretty drastic, are you sure shutdown immediate > > > didn't work? > > > > What is drastic about shutdown abort? > > > > Never one to opt out of a shutdown abort thread, > > -- > > Jeremiah Wilton > > http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton > > > > - Uses shutdown abort exclusively > > - successful shutdowns/startups: over 10,000 > > - problems with shutdown abort: 0 > > - versions used: 7.3.2.3 - 10.0 (yes I have a pre-beta) > > - still employed! > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Jeremiah Wilton > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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