J,
I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer
questions about orion. They also have good attempt at documentation:
http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486
You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by
going to :
http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its
free.
Regards,
the elephantwalker
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Nathan,
A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
something like that), then had to remove that claim from the
orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim).
Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for
clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major
systems do not rely on open products, or "semi-open" products like Orion.
Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support
(documentation, help desk, etc)?
I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart,
and a dump).
Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely
respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed?
Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support.
Jay
At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
>On a different note concerning the Oracle deal:
>
>I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One
>news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's
>little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl
could
>have produced all sorts of documentation that said "Orion is better then
>Weblogic," but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle
>says "Oracle is better then Weblogic," BEA certainly takes notice!
>
>I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and
every
>single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few
>talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their
>minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said
>"We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we
threw
>away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high
>performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge
>breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
>biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
>
>And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really
saying...
>
>"We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish
>company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE
>implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are
>studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of
>J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge
>breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
>biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
>
> -LARRY ELLISON
> CEO, ORACLE
>
>
>Now, that is sweet!
>
>
