If I recall correctly, BEA did not challenge them (Ironflare/Evermind)with any numbers
of their
own, they just wanted them to remove their BEA reference. That would have appeared to
have been
just an action by BEA spin doctors and the legal department. So I will be interested
when Oracle
runs its J2EE container (i.e. Orion) vs BEA.
I suspect, by the way, that Oracle will handle its users concerns. They probably have
a number of
developers who are up-to-snuff on Orion. It remains to be seen, but if a company wants
a
name-brand, investor-friendly product, I would happily recomend they use Oracle over
BEA or WAS -
or that they at least bring them in for the running.
--- Jay Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
> relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
> recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
> something like that), then had to remove that claim from the
> orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim).
>
> Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for
> clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major
> systems do not rely on open products, or "semi-open" products like Orion.
>
> Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support
> (documentation, help desk, etc)?
>
> I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
> if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
> the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart,
> and a dump).
>
> Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely
> respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed?
>
> Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support.
>
> Jay
>
> At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >On a different note concerning the Oracle deal:
> >
> >I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One
> >news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's
> >little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could
> >have produced all sorts of documentation that said "Orion is better then
> >Weblogic," but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle
> >says "Oracle is better then Weblogic," BEA certainly takes notice!
> >
> >I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every
> >single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few
> >talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their
> >minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said
> >"We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw
> >away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high
> >performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge
> >breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
> >biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
> >
> >And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying...
> >
> >"We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish
> >company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE
> >implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are
> >studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of
> >J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge
> >breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
> >biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
> >
> > -LARRY ELLISON
> > CEO, ORACLE
> >
> >
> >Now, that is sweet!
> >
> >
>
>
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