Update: sudah ada 37 orang yang mengisi borang... I also have think about the publication (i.e Linux for U) that we can make as one of the product from the cooperative.
2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> > i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of the > cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 > interested members. > > mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah > daftar ke ?). > > kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of the > other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. > > my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this thread > ... why ? better to address this now. > > also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% dividends > or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the > cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this will > attract future members. > > publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers is > also another good revenue stream. > > > > 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> > > saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >> >>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk borang,,, >>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>> >>> *We're sorry, trunas...@gmail.com does not have permission to access >>>> this spreadsheet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan >>>>> mendaftar... >>>>> >>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. >>>>>> >>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak confidential >>>>>> la.. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan dalam >>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Salam... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC 2010. >>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk memikirkan >>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. Jadi >>>>>>>> saya >>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama yang >>>>>>>> lain) >>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan lebih >>>>>>>> aktif >>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah sangat arif >>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum 50 >>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal permulaan >>>>>>>> untuk >>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh >>>>>>>> mengadakan >>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara Hidzwan (e1) >>>>>>>> yang >>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah dan >>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang >>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) yang >>>>>>>> menjual >>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini juga >>>>>>>> dapat >>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan OSS >>>>>>>> lagi. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek >>>>>>>> ini. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan >>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah:* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: >>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk menaja >>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg menjalankan >>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh ada >>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn kementerian >>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam sebutharga / >>>>>>>> tender >>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely for >>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people understand >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> is a cooperative >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss >>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we can >>>>>>>> still do >>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society is >>>>>>>> non-profit >>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan mei >>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif RM3000 >>>>>>>>> terus. >>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang menguruskan >>>>>>>>> dan ahli >>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang >>>>>>>>> dijalankan. >>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan hari itu >>>>>>>>> pun >>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah untuk >>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi yang >>>>>>>> terdiri >>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah diterangkan oleh >>>>>>>> Tuan >>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat mengumpul >>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa mengharapkan >>>>>>>> bantuan >>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti >>>>>>>> koperasi >>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world class >>>>>>>> developer >>>>>>>> di Malaysia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang koperasi ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka pendek * >>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka sederhana * >>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang >>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di Malaysia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka panjang* >>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan (kolej) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang koperasi ni >>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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