Update: sudah ada 41 orang yang berminat dan mengisi borang. Need only 9 more person to make it happen. :)
2010/10/17 Haris bin Ali <ha...@qedx.com> > Maybe kena publicise kan wider sikit on other mailing lists ke twitter > ke wherever pasal cadangan penubuhan koperasi ni? > > Haris bin Ali > ha...@qedx.com > > > 2010/10/17 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com>: > > Update: sudah ada 37 orang yang mengisi borang... > > I also have think about the publication (i.e Linux for U) that we can > make > > as one of the product from the cooperative. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> > >> > >> i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of the > >> cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 > >> interested members. > >> > >> mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah > >> daftar ke ?). > >> > >> kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of the > >> other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. > >> > >> my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this > >> thread ... why ? better to address this now. > >> > >> also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% > dividends > >> or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the > >> cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this > will > >> attract future members. > >> > >> publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers > is > >> also another good revenue stream. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> > >>>> > >>>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk > >>>> borang,,, > https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> We're sorry, trunas...@gmail.com does not have permission to access > >>>>> this spreadsheet. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan > >>>>>> mendaftar... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak > confidential > >>>>>>> la.. :) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan > >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan > dalam > >>>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". > >>>>>>>>> post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Salam... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC 2010. > >>>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk > memikirkan > >>>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. > Jadi saya > >>>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama > yang lain) > >>>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan > lebih aktif > >>>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah sangat > arif di > >>>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum > 50 > >>>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal > permulaan untuk > >>>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh > mengadakan > >>>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara Hidzwan > (e1) yang > >>>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah > dan > >>>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang > >>>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) > yang menjual > >>>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini > juga dapat > >>>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan > OSS lagi. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek > >>>>>>>>> ini. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan > >>>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: > >>>>>>>>> 1) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk menaja > >>>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg > menjalankan > >>>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh > ada > >>>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn > kementerian > >>>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam sebutharga > / tender > >>>>>>>>> ;-) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely > for > >>>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people > understand what > >>>>>>>>> is a cooperative > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss > >>>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we > can still do > >>>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society is > non-profit > >>>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan > mei > >>>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif > RM3000 terus. > >>>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang > menguruskan dan ahli > >>>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang > dijalankan. > >>>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan hari > itu pun > >>>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah > untuk > >>>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi yang > terdiri > >>>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah diterangkan > oleh Tuan > >>>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. > >>>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat > mengumpul > >>>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa mengharapkan > bantuan > >>>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti > koperasi > >>>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world class > developer > >>>>>>>>> di Malaysia. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang koperasi > >>>>>>>>>> ni? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jangka pendek > >>>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. > >>>>>>>>> Jangka sederhana > >>>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang > >>>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di > Malaysia > >>>>>>>>> Jangka panjang > >>>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan (kolej) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang koperasi > >>>>>>>>>> ni > >>>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Walaubagaimanapun, jawapan ini adalah jawapan peribadi saya, > segala > >>>>>>>>> perancangan adalah melibatkan semua ahli kerana ini adalah > perniagaan > >>>>>>>>> bersama. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Facebook Fan page > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. > >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>>>> 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