Maybe kena publicise kan wider sikit on other mailing lists ke twitter ke wherever pasal cadangan penubuhan koperasi ni?
Haris bin Ali ha...@qedx.com 2010/10/17 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com>: > Update: sudah ada 37 orang yang mengisi borang... > I also have think about the publication (i.e Linux for U) that we can make > as one of the product from the cooperative. > > > > > > 2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> >> >> i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of the >> cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 >> interested members. >> >> mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah >> daftar ke ?). >> >> kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of the >> other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. >> >> my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this >> thread ... why ? better to address this now. >> >> also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% dividends >> or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the >> cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this will >> attract future members. >> >> publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers is >> also another good revenue stream. >> >> >> >> 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>> >>> saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk >>>> borang,,, https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> We're sorry, trunas...@gmail.com does not have permission to access >>>>> this spreadsheet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan >>>>>> mendaftar... >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak confidential >>>>>>> la.. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan dalam >>>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". >>>>>>>>> post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Salam... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC 2010. >>>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk memikirkan >>>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. Jadi >>>>>>>>> saya >>>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama yang >>>>>>>>> lain) >>>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan lebih >>>>>>>>> aktif >>>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah sangat arif >>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum 50 >>>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal permulaan >>>>>>>>> untuk >>>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh >>>>>>>>> mengadakan >>>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara Hidzwan (e1) >>>>>>>>> yang >>>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah dan >>>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang >>>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) yang >>>>>>>>> menjual >>>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini juga >>>>>>>>> dapat >>>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan OSS >>>>>>>>> lagi. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek >>>>>>>>> ini. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan >>>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: >>>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk menaja >>>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg menjalankan >>>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh ada >>>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn kementerian >>>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam sebutharga / >>>>>>>>> tender >>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely for >>>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people >>>>>>>>> understand what >>>>>>>>> is a cooperative >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss >>>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we can >>>>>>>>> still do >>>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society is >>>>>>>>> non-profit >>>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan mei >>>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif RM3000 >>>>>>>>>> terus. >>>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang menguruskan >>>>>>>>>> dan ahli >>>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang >>>>>>>>>> dijalankan. >>>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan hari itu >>>>>>>>>> pun >>>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah untuk >>>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi yang >>>>>>>>> terdiri >>>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah diterangkan >>>>>>>>> oleh Tuan >>>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. >>>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat mengumpul >>>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa mengharapkan >>>>>>>>> bantuan >>>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti >>>>>>>>> koperasi >>>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world class >>>>>>>>> developer >>>>>>>>> di Malaysia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang koperasi >>>>>>>>>> ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jangka pendek >>>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. >>>>>>>>> Jangka sederhana >>>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang >>>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di Malaysia >>>>>>>>> Jangka panjang >>>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan (kolej) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang koperasi >>>>>>>>>> ni >>>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. >>>>>>>>> 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