nie koperasi berdaftar ke tak ? ada naya kes tipu nie ....jaga2 Pada 2010 Oktober 19 22:14, lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> menulis:
> Update: sudah ada 41 orang yang berminat dan mengisi borang. Need only 9 > more person to make it happen. :) > > > > > 2010/10/17 Haris bin Ali <ha...@qedx.com> > > Maybe kena publicise kan wider sikit on other mailing lists ke twitter >> ke wherever pasal cadangan penubuhan koperasi ni? >> >> Haris bin Ali >> ha...@qedx.com >> >> >> 2010/10/17 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com>: >> > Update: sudah ada 37 orang yang mengisi borang... >> > I also have think about the publication (i.e Linux for U) that we can >> make >> > as one of the product from the cooperative. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of >> the >> >> cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 >> >> interested members. >> >> >> >> mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah >> >> daftar ke ?). >> >> >> >> kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of the >> >> other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. >> >> >> >> my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this >> >> thread ... why ? better to address this now. >> >> >> >> also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% >> dividends >> >> or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the >> >> cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this >> will >> >> attract future members. >> >> >> >> publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers >> is >> >> also another good revenue stream. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>> saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk >> >>>> borang,,, >> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We're sorry, trunas...@gmail.com does not have permission to access >> >>>>> this spreadsheet. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan >> >>>>>> mendaftar... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak >> confidential >> >>>>>>> la.. :) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan >> >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan >> dalam >> >>>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". >> >>>>>>>>> post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Salam... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC >> 2010. >> >>>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk >> memikirkan >> >>>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. >> Jadi saya >> >>>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama >> yang lain) >> >>>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan >> lebih aktif >> >>>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah sangat >> arif di >> >>>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum >> 50 >> >>>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal >> permulaan untuk >> >>>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh >> mengadakan >> >>>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara Hidzwan >> (e1) yang >> >>>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah >> dan >> >>>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang >> >>>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) >> yang menjual >> >>>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini >> juga dapat >> >>>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan >> OSS lagi. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek >> >>>>>>>>> ini. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan >> >>>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: >> >>>>>>>>> 1) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk menaja >> >>>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg >> menjalankan >> >>>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh >> ada >> >>>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn >> kementerian >> >>>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam sebutharga >> / tender >> >>>>>>>>> ;-) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely >> for >> >>>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people >> understand what >> >>>>>>>>> is a cooperative >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss >> >>>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we >> can still do >> >>>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society >> is non-profit >> >>>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan >> mei >> >>>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif >> RM3000 terus. >> >>>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang >> menguruskan dan ahli >> >>>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang >> dijalankan. >> >>>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan >> hari itu pun >> >>>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah >> untuk >> >>>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi >> yang terdiri >> >>>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah >> diterangkan oleh Tuan >> >>>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. >> >>>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat >> mengumpul >> >>>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa >> mengharapkan bantuan >> >>>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti >> koperasi >> >>>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world >> class developer >> >>>>>>>>> di Malaysia. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang >> koperasi >> >>>>>>>>>> ni? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Jangka pendek >> >>>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. >> >>>>>>>>> Jangka sederhana >> >>>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang >> >>>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di >> Malaysia >> >>>>>>>>> Jangka panjang >> >>>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan (kolej) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang >> koperasi >> >>>>>>>>>> ni >> >>>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Walaubagaimanapun, jawapan ini adalah jawapan peribadi saya, >> segala >> >>>>>>>>> perancangan adalah melibatkan semua ahli kerana ini adalah >> perniagaan >> >>>>>>>>> bersama. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Facebook Fan page >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >> osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>>>>>>> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit 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