Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
pure form is like a beautiful
soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
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*Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
Dear all
Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
facilitation to it).
Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
or selves are doing the organising.
Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
Warm wishes
Paul Levy
On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
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I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original
format.
So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
My 2 cents
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I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
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Martin,
I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
got them backwards…(oops)
:o)
Eva
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Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
Dear friends,
Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
about it?
:o)
I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
before. :)
To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
different.
(This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
in the
last 4 years.)
* No circle at the beginning
* A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
things
start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc
etc)
* When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to
gauge
interest.
* The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
announcing
your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
* and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
don't
get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
* Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
before things
start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
* Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
YOU GET
TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
talking about
how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
* Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
AMAZING it is.
* There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what
gets
posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
attended, not
a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
* "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
One a more serious note:
Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
often used
for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
events":
In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
way to
save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
whereas OST
functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
thing. Or so.
Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
it?" I
get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
in Open
Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
YMMV.
Martin
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