How can one create shaping points without Garmin? (My Garmins were
scrapped years back)
PW
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:57:45 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>
> Shaping points are coded into the GPX file. They are basically the same as
> waypoints but instead of the waypoint code they are coded as shapingpoint
> (into the GPX-source code that is). The only difference is, a waypoint will
> keep insisting on visiting even though you are on a detour where the
> shaping point will just let it be and carry on with the rest of the route.
> Mind you, shaping points and their GPX-sourcecoding are 'invented' by
> Garmin so most devices which are not Garmin are likely to ignore the
> shaping point-coding. I tested it on Osmand and it so happens Osmand does
> read this Garmin-coding!
>
>
> Op donderdag 7 september 2017 20:02:47 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>>
>> Hi. That sounds good. Could you just clarify, what are "shaping
>> points"? Thanks Paul W
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:10:47 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>>>
>>> I accidently made it work more or less the way I wanted it to!
>>>
>>> Turns out the waypoints in GPX should be saved as shaping points. I did
>>> a quick testdrive around the block and this is what happened:
>>> - Turn by turn voice-navigation with streetnames and which lanes to
>>> follow. So I can actually leave the phone in my pocket and put in a
>>> earpiece to listen to the directions.
>>> - If I run into an unexpected obstacle I navigate myself around it,
>>> Osmand will pick up the remaining part of the route and recalculate it from
>>> my current position without insisting to visit a missed waypoint.
>>> - It did this without telling me I was approaching and reaching a
>>> waypoint all the time.
>>> Ofcourse this is exactly what I wanted it to do!
>>>
>>> Two hickups so far:
>>> - The route Osmand calculated was different from what I intended it to
>>> be when I was composing the route on the personal computer. That would be
>>> because of the difference between the used map-material (Google Maps vs
>>> Open streetsource). So adding more shaping points would take care of that.
>>> - When I reached my destination it told me to navigate around the block
>>> the other way around again, only to end up in the exact same spot I was
>>> standing at that very moment. I'm not sure why it did that.
>>>
>>> Now for the next test which I need to conduct is find out what Osmand
>>> does when busroute does the same strip of street twice within the same
>>> route (for instance, the first time to reach a busstation, the second time
>>> leaving the busstation and thus ending up in the same street I drove
>>> through a couple of minutes earlier only to go another way the second
>>> time). If this should cause problems I think I have to cut up the route in
>>> 2 different files.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op zondag 3 september 2017 14:44:22 UTC+2 schreef Westnederland:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> We are a group of public transport busdrivers who are curious if it is
>>>> possible to get OsmAnd to work with our specific needs.
>>>>
>>>> We drive multiple different routes during a shift as part of a total of
>>>> 30+ different routes we can be dispatched to. So we need to memorize al of
>>>> these routes. If there is a detour due to a event or roadworks, we also
>>>> need to memorize that. We thought it could be usefull to use OsmAnd in
>>>> areas we are not familair with, like new busroutes we need to memorize or
>>>> a
>>>> diversion which leads us into unknown territory. We want to do this
>>>> *without* the navigation screen, so purely by voice-turn by turn TTS
>>>> instructions by connecting earphones to the phone so we can hear the
>>>> instructions in one ear while the other ear and our eyes are concentrating
>>>> on the traffic and our passengers.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we would like the navigation to recalculate a route when we had
>>>> to go on unsuspected diversion like a road closure due to an accident. We
>>>> don't want the navigation to keep trying to get us back to a missed
>>>> waypoint or something like that before it wants to proceed with the rest
>>>> of
>>>> the route.
>>>>
>>>> However, we can't seem to get it to work like we want it to.
>>>>
>>>> What we tried so far is made GPX files online with both Myrouteapp als
>>>> Ridewithgps and tried pretty much every setting these sites would give us:
>>>> Save as GPX 1.0, save as GPX 1.1, in Ridewithgps adding turn-cues and
>>>> saving them within the GPX-track with setting "include cues as waypoints",
>>>> the same thing but then using POI waypoints, saving both cues as POI as
>>>> waypoints, saving as GPX ROUTE instead of GPS TRACK.....
>>>>
>>>> In all of these testcases pretty much the same happened.
>>>>
>>>> - No streetname announcement, exept when we went off-route and OsmAnd
>>>> was trying to get us back on route again.
>>>>
>>>> - No clear turn by turn voice guidance.
>>>> There was some guidance but the timing of it is way off. Some voice
>>>> instructions are too soon (like turn right in 300 meters, then 100 meter
>>>> before the actual turn it would say "Turn right" which would cause us to
>>>> turn right into the wrong street or even it tells us to turn right when we
>>>> have to make a left turn FIRST before we get to the point where we have to
>>>> turn right). We can't find a setting to adjust this anywere...?
>>>> Some instructions are left out all together (like in a highway setting
>>>> it would tell us to "Keep following the road" when in reality we have to
>>>> make a turn to a different highway, or even to get off the highway it
>>>> would
>>>> not tell that at all).
>>>>
>>>> I know a bit about the technical side of it, so I know GPX by itself
>>>> would never announce streetnames and clear guidance. I do know this
>>>> information can be stored in GPX-files... so that is why we opened an
>>>> account with ridewithgps-website where you can add navigation cues and/or
>>>> POI with navigation clues to the GPX files. However:
>>>>
>>>> - The navigation cues as in Ridewithgps ("add to cuesheet" and type the
>>>> tekst you want to be spoken by OsmAnd into the "notes"-section) are not
>>>> being pronounced at all.
>>>> All it pronounces is the *type* of navigation cue (e.g. Left, right,
>>>> straight") and it does that like this --> "In 300 meters you reach your
>>>> GPX
>>>> waypoint Left".... "Turn left and then you reach your GPX-waypoint
>>>> Left"..... "You have reached your GPX-waypoint Left".
>>>> What we intended was for OsmAnd to *not* announce the nearing or
>>>> reaching of a GPX waypoint but simply reading out loud what we typed in
>>>> the
>>>> Notes-box within Ridemygps-site. The type of navigation cue is in a box
>>>> which cannot be typed in by us on the Ridewithgps site.
>>>>
>>>> - The same thing applys to POI's with typed extra info. However, this
>>>> time it would actually speak out loud what was typed. For instance:
>>>> "In 300 meters you reach your GPX waypoint Turn left into Main
>>>> Street".... "Turn left and then you reach your GPX-waypoint Turn left into
>>>> Main Street"..... "You have reached your GPX-waypoint Turn left into Main
>>>> Street".
>>>>
>>>> We did remove the tick in the OsmAnd settings in "Navigation settings
>>>> ---> navigation properties ---> Announce "GPX waypoints" and even removed
>>>> ticks at "Favourits" and "interesting places" (I'm not sure if in the
>>>> English edition this would be the exact translation but I think you know
>>>> what I mean hopefully), but Osmand would just announce the waypoints
>>>> (both
>>>> cues and POI) in the exact same way as described above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It did teach me that Osmand can proncounce through TTS what is typed
>>>> within <name> </name> tags (looking at the XML-data of al the tested
>>>> GPX-files).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what would help is:
>>>>
>>>> - Make and save a route in GPX-track (not GPX-route) format.
>>>>
>>>> - Be able to put the name-tags in there in a fairly easy way in all the
>>>> right places so we can prepare the TTS-announcements ourselves at home,
>>>> preferribly on the desktop computer, before we go out en work our shift.
>>>>
>>>> - Use of name-tags without the "In 300 meters you reach your GPX
>>>> waypoint Turn left into Main Street".... "Turn left and then you reach
>>>> your
>>>> GPX-waypoint Turn left into Main Street"..... "You have reached your
>>>> GPX-waypoint Turn left into Main Street", just "Turn left into Main
>>>> Street"
>>>> on the right moment.
>>>>
>>>> - Specificly GPX tracks and not GPX routes because a track can work
>>>> with you when you have a unexpected detour, as where a route will try to
>>>> get you back to a missed waypoint first before carrying on with the
>>>> remaining part of the route.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyone here who can help us accomplish this? Thanks for your
>>>> time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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