Thank you. You're obviously "On a Roll" and know what you're doing. It
will be interesting to hear how you get on.
Paul W
(PS - Cycling and sailing in Netherlands next week, I will look on
"Westnederland" with respect!)
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 10:20:55 AM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>
> Well, that is the tricky part. I never owned a Garmin to begin with so I
> was just exploring things and stumbled across my desired solution in the
> proces.
> How I currently do it involves creating a GPX preferrably version 1.1. You
> can download Garmin BaseCamp even if you don't own a Garmin, and edit/save
> the file in there. It will generate the shaping points. However, I am still
> testing if there is a shorter way to do it. That would make it a whole lot
> easier.
>
>
> Op vrijdag 8 september 2017 09:28:21 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>>
>> How can one create shaping points without Garmin? (My Garmins were
>> scrapped years back)
>> PW
>>
>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:57:45 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>>>
>>> Shaping points are coded into the GPX file. They are basically the same
>>> as waypoints but instead of the waypoint code they are coded as
>>> shapingpoint (into the GPX-source code that is). The only difference is, a
>>> waypoint will keep insisting on visiting even though you are on a detour
>>> where the shaping point will just let it be and carry on with the rest of
>>> the route.
>>> Mind you, shaping points and their GPX-sourcecoding are 'invented' by
>>> Garmin so most devices which are not Garmin are likely to ignore the
>>> shaping point-coding. I tested it on Osmand and it so happens Osmand does
>>> read this Garmin-coding!
>>>
>>>
>>> Op donderdag 7 september 2017 20:02:47 UTC+2 schreef P Wat:
>>>>
>>>> Hi. That sounds good. Could you just clarify, what are "shaping
>>>> points"? Thanks Paul W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:10:47 PM UTC+1, Westnederland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I accidently made it work more or less the way I wanted it to!
>>>>>
>>>>> Turns out the waypoints in GPX should be saved as shaping points. I
>>>>> did a quick testdrive around the block and this is what happened:
>>>>> - Turn by turn voice-navigation with streetnames and which lanes to
>>>>> follow. So I can actually leave the phone in my pocket and put in a
>>>>> earpiece to listen to the directions.
>>>>> - If I run into an unexpected obstacle I navigate myself around it,
>>>>> Osmand will pick up the remaining part of the route and recalculate it
>>>>> from
>>>>> my current position without insisting to visit a missed waypoint.
>>>>> - It did this without telling me I was approaching and reaching a
>>>>> waypoint all the time.
>>>>> Ofcourse this is exactly what I wanted it to do!
>>>>>
>>>>> Two hickups so far:
>>>>> - The route Osmand calculated was different from what I intended it to
>>>>> be when I was composing the route on the personal computer. That would be
>>>>> because of the difference between the used map-material (Google Maps vs
>>>>> Open streetsource). So adding more shaping points would take care of
>>>>> that.
>>>>> - When I reached my destination it told me to navigate around the
>>>>> block the other way around again, only to end up in the exact same spot I
>>>>> was standing at that very moment. I'm not sure why it did that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now for the next test which I need to conduct is find out what Osmand
>>>>> does when busroute does the same strip of street twice within the same
>>>>> route (for instance, the first time to reach a busstation, the second
>>>>> time
>>>>> leaving the busstation and thus ending up in the same street I drove
>>>>> through a couple of minutes earlier only to go another way the second
>>>>> time). If this should cause problems I think I have to cut up the route
>>>>> in
>>>>> 2 different files.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op zondag 3 september 2017 14:44:22 UTC+2 schreef Westnederland:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are a group of public transport busdrivers who are curious if it
>>>>>> is possible to get OsmAnd to work with our specific needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We drive multiple different routes during a shift as part of a total
>>>>>> of 30+ different routes we can be dispatched to. So we need to memorize
>>>>>> al
>>>>>> of these routes. If there is a detour due to a event or roadworks, we
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> need to memorize that. We thought it could be usefull to use OsmAnd in
>>>>>> areas we are not familair with, like new busroutes we need to memorize
>>>>>> or a
>>>>>> diversion which leads us into unknown territory. We want to do this
>>>>>> *without* the navigation screen, so purely by voice-turn by turn TTS
>>>>>> instructions by connecting earphones to the phone so we can hear the
>>>>>> instructions in one ear while the other ear and our eyes are
>>>>>> concentrating
>>>>>> on the traffic and our passengers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we would like the navigation to recalculate a route when we had
>>>>>> to go on unsuspected diversion like a road closure due to an accident.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> don't want the navigation to keep trying to get us back to a missed
>>>>>> waypoint or something like that before it wants to proceed with the rest
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, we can't seem to get it to work like we want it to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we tried so far is made GPX files online with both Myrouteapp
>>>>>> als Ridewithgps and tried pretty much every setting these sites would
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> us:
>>>>>> Save as GPX 1.0, save as GPX 1.1, in Ridewithgps adding turn-cues and
>>>>>> saving them within the GPX-track with setting "include cues as
>>>>>> waypoints",
>>>>>> the same thing but then using POI waypoints, saving both cues as POI as
>>>>>> waypoints, saving as GPX ROUTE instead of GPS TRACK.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In all of these testcases pretty much the same happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - No streetname announcement, exept when we went off-route and OsmAnd
>>>>>> was trying to get us back on route again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - No clear turn by turn voice guidance.
>>>>>> There was some guidance but the timing of it is way off. Some voice
>>>>>> instructions are too soon (like turn right in 300 meters, then 100 meter
>>>>>> before the actual turn it would say "Turn right" which would cause us to
>>>>>> turn right into the wrong street or even it tells us to turn right when
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have to make a left turn FIRST before we get to the point where we have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> turn right). We can't find a setting to adjust this anywere...?
>>>>>> Some instructions are left out all together (like in a highway
>>>>>> setting it would tell us to "Keep following the road" when in reality we
>>>>>> have to make a turn to a different highway, or even to get off the
>>>>>> highway
>>>>>> it would not tell that at all).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know a bit about the technical side of it, so I know GPX by itself
>>>>>> would never announce streetnames and clear guidance. I do know this
>>>>>> information can be stored in GPX-files... so that is why we opened an
>>>>>> account with ridewithgps-website where you can add navigation cues
>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>> POI with navigation clues to the GPX files. However:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The navigation cues as in Ridewithgps ("add to cuesheet" and type
>>>>>> the tekst you want to be spoken by OsmAnd into the "notes"-section) are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> being pronounced at all.
>>>>>> All it pronounces is the *type* of navigation cue (e.g. Left, right,
>>>>>> straight") and it does that like this --> "In 300 meters you reach your
>>>>>> GPX
>>>>>> waypoint Left".... "Turn left and then you reach your GPX-waypoint
>>>>>> Left"..... "You have reached your GPX-waypoint Left".
>>>>>> What we intended was for OsmAnd to *not* announce the nearing or
>>>>>> reaching of a GPX waypoint but simply reading out loud what we typed in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Notes-box within Ridemygps-site. The type of navigation cue is in a box
>>>>>> which cannot be typed in by us on the Ridewithgps site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - The same thing applys to POI's with typed extra info. However, this
>>>>>> time it would actually speak out loud what was typed. For instance:
>>>>>> "In 300 meters you reach your GPX waypoint Turn left into Main
>>>>>> Street".... "Turn left and then you reach your GPX-waypoint Turn left
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> Main Street"..... "You have reached your GPX-waypoint Turn left into
>>>>>> Main
>>>>>> Street".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did remove the tick in the OsmAnd settings in "Navigation settings
>>>>>> ---> navigation properties ---> Announce "GPX waypoints" and even
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> ticks at "Favourits" and "interesting places" (I'm not sure if in the
>>>>>> English edition this would be the exact translation but I think you know
>>>>>> what I mean hopefully), but Osmand would just announce the waypoints
>>>>>> (both
>>>>>> cues and POI) in the exact same way as described above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It did teach me that Osmand can proncounce through TTS what is typed
>>>>>> within <name> </name> tags (looking at the XML-data of al the tested
>>>>>> GPX-files).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what would help is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Make and save a route in GPX-track (not GPX-route) format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Be able to put the name-tags in there in a fairly easy way in all
>>>>>> the right places so we can prepare the TTS-announcements ourselves at
>>>>>> home,
>>>>>> preferribly on the desktop computer, before we go out en work our shift.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Use of name-tags without the "In 300 meters you reach your GPX
>>>>>> waypoint Turn left into Main Street".... "Turn left and then you reach
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> GPX-waypoint Turn left into Main Street"..... "You have reached your
>>>>>> GPX-waypoint Turn left into Main Street", just "Turn left into Main
>>>>>> Street"
>>>>>> on the right moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Specificly GPX tracks and not GPX routes because a track can work
>>>>>> with you when you have a unexpected detour, as where a route will try to
>>>>>> get you back to a missed waypoint first before carrying on with the
>>>>>> remaining part of the route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone here who can help us accomplish this? Thanks for your
>>>>>> time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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