On 2009-Jan-01, at 11:04, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: > On 1 Jan 2009, at 11:00, LuKreme wrote: >> You know, I'm not a big fan of Israel, but I really do believe that >> if >> they stopped getting rockets shot at them and suicide bombers on >> their >> busses they would leave the Palestinians the fuck alone. >> >> Naive? Perhaps. > > Definitely. > > When did Hamas start, and why?
There is some truth that firing rockets merely is part of the tit-for- tat retaliation and escalation towards an all out war/genocide. So the last thing the Palestinians should be doing, if they want to survive, is keep angering and radicalizing their enemy. But even if the Palestinians did become peaceful, there are still incompatible fundie elements on both sides. The Hamas / Muslim Brotherhood believe all of Israel belongs to Muslims, whilst their counterparts on the Jewish side believe it is theirs, and frankly, looking at the demonic Yin Yang symbol that is the Israel-Palestine map, with both sides in each other's faces, I can't see how Israel wouldn't simply want all of the Palestinian lands for itself, and more. There can only be a one state solution. The trouble is that both sides would agree, so long as it excluded the other side. But the problems go even deeper. Even if both sides' radical elements became quiet, there is still a vast economic difference between the Jews and Arabs. The Palestinians would still look like they were being oppressed, and would feel resentful, simply because the cultural history in the area, is that the Jews have been entrepreneurial, economy builders, with good universities and jobs and infrastructure, whilst the Arabs are still suffering the cultural issues that plague most of the Arab world. Interestingly Apartheid partly started out tied up with the issues that working class whites had, fearing their jobs and survival would be taken away by the blacks, who vastly outnumbered them and could work more cheaply. So somehow, part of a way forward is for the Palestinians to shift their culture from one of honor and revenge, to one of personal entrepreneurship and education, so that the economic disparities between them and the Israelis can begin to soften. In South Africa, as the whites got richer over the years, they no longer had to fear that the lower jobs would be taken by blacks, and so the blacks started to participate in the economy more. In some way, Israelistan needs to get economic integration and education integration so that both sides can improve, so that there is something in it for both sides, so that the country can grow stronger as a united entity. Meanwhile the violence and oppression escalates, and everyone is running out of time. Stefano _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
