As a Native American, I can very much identify the plight and situation of the Palestineans. It's like saying that, if the Native Americans would have just gone quietly along with the "agenda" then far fewer would have been killed. A ridiculous assertion, especially when it becomes painfully obvious that the invader has no intention whatsoever of tolerating your mere prescence, that they means to eradicate any trace of your existence. When it comes to that, you're going down, it's just a question of how you go and who you manage to take down with you. You can slowly die of pitiful sadness, banished far away from all that you love and hold sacred, like Geronimo. Or you go out full of the Good Fight, bathed in the blood of your enemy as did Looking Glass. These are the choices as many Palestineans see it. The Israelis would, no doubt, love to clap their hand and make all the Palestineans disappear; but one wonders, would that be enough for them? Who would be next?
It is appalling to me to see how very much the past of 70 years ago is reflected, refracted and repeated in the actions of today. But today, it would seem, the victim of the past has become the oppressor of the present, having paid studious attention to history... I'm quite sure my opinions will smack some here the wrong way, but I've quietly listened to all others and thought carefully upon this... --ryan Sent from my iPod Touch On Jan 1, 2009, at 9:39, Stefano Mori <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2009-Jan-01, at 11:04, Jared ''Danger'' Earle wrote: > >> On 1 Jan 2009, at 11:00, LuKreme wrote: >>> You know, I'm not a big fan of Israel, but I really do believe that >>> if >>> they stopped getting rockets shot at them and suicide bombers on >>> their >>> busses they would leave the Palestinians the fuck alone. >>> >>> Naive? Perhaps. >> >> Definitely. >> >> When did Hamas start, and why? > > > There is some truth that firing rockets merely is part of the tit-for- > tat retaliation and escalation towards an all out war/genocide. So the > last thing the Palestinians should be doing, if they want to survive, > is keep angering and radicalizing their enemy. > > But even if the Palestinians did become peaceful, there are still > incompatible fundie elements on both sides. The Hamas / Muslim > Brotherhood believe all of Israel belongs to Muslims, whilst their > counterparts on the Jewish side believe it is theirs, and frankly, > looking at the demonic Yin Yang symbol that is the Israel-Palestine > map, with both sides in each other's faces, I can't see how Israel > wouldn't simply want all of the Palestinian lands for itself, and > more. There can only be a one state solution. The trouble is that both > sides would agree, so long as it excluded the other side. > > But the problems go even deeper. Even if both sides' radical elements > became quiet, there is still a vast economic difference between the > Jews and Arabs. The Palestinians would still look like they were being > oppressed, and would feel resentful, simply because the cultural > history in the area, is that the Jews have been entrepreneurial, > economy builders, with good universities and jobs and infrastructure, > whilst the Arabs are still suffering the cultural issues that plague > most of the Arab world. > > Interestingly Apartheid partly started out tied up with the issues > that working class whites had, fearing their jobs and survival would > be taken away by the blacks, who vastly outnumbered them and could > work more cheaply. So somehow, part of a way forward is for the > Palestinians to shift their culture from one of honor and revenge, to > one of personal entrepreneurship and education, so that the economic > disparities between them and the Israelis can begin to soften. In > South Africa, as the whites got richer over the years, they no longer > had to fear that the lower jobs would be taken by blacks, and so the > blacks started to participate in the economy more. In some way, > Israelistan needs to get economic integration and education > integration so that both sides can improve, so that there is something > in it for both sides, so that the country can grow stronger as a > united entity. > > Meanwhile the violence and oppression escalates, and everyone is > running out of time. > > Stefano > > > _______________________________________________ > OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] > http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters > List hosted at http://cat5.org/ _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
