Sorry buddy....I did realize it was not your quote after I read it again......

Yes, please go on and on about this stuff, for after our meeting of OT and PT faculty 
students, you could feel the tension and it almost turned into a disaster....but, in 
the end, I think we came away with the students still not sure (and perhaps a few of 
us faculty members) as to that fine delineation of our professions.

Anything to help, my friend, is appreciated.

Perhaps a guest appearance?

Peace,
David

David A. Lehman, PhD, PT
Associate Professor
Tennessee State University
Department of Physical Therapy
3500 John A. Merritt Blvd.
Nashville, TN 37209
615-963-5946
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Carson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:39 PM
To: Lehman, David
Subject: Re[2]: [OTnow] Fwd: Re: History of the word "occupation"


Hello David:

I  am  not  the  author  of  the  indicated  quote! It came from a person at
Merriam-Webster.

Your  ascertain  that a "functional goal is often an 'occupational' goal, is
something  to  which  I take exception. I have heard many therapists (mainly
OT's) assert that function is the same as occupation.

A  while  back, I wrote an OTnews article as to why I don't believe that the
two are synonymous.

Your last question is an important one - when is it appropriate for an OT to
refer to a PT and when should a PT refer to an OT?

Here's my answer...

If the primary focus of the client and their condition is on remediation of
physical  dysfunction,  the  best  skilled  profession if PT. If the primary
concern  of  the  client and their condition is on occupational dysfunction,
then OT is the most skilled profession.

Putting  the  above two statements as end-points on a continuum, it makes it
easier to see that I some cases OT is best, in other cases PT is best and in
some cases, either profession is best.


        OT                                                           PT
<<------------------------------------------------------------------------>>
    Focus on                                                     Focus on
Occupational Dysfn                                            Physical Dysfn


In  any case example, the greater the focus on occupation, the greater OT is
the most correct profession.  Thus, for any continuum of care, a patient may
at  times  be  best  served  by  PT and then later best served by OT.  Or, a
client  my  be  best served by OT for some occupational dysfunction and then
later referred to PT for some physical dysfunction.

One  caveat to the above 'referral guide' is that therapists must understand
that  there  is not a clear relationship between improving physical function
and  increasing  occupational  dysfunction. In other words, simply improving
physical   function   does   not  always  directly  correlate  to  improved
occupational improvement.

I can go on and on about this 'stuff' if you are interested.


=================================================
Monday, November 24, 2003, 10:23:02 AM, you wrote:

LD> Ron...I cannot believe you made this interpretation in your last post:

LD> " In any case, it seems to me that occupational therapy is called just
LD> that because of its focus on activity, compared to, say, physical
LD> therapy. A physical therapist would help a victim of a car accident
LD> regain muscle tone in his or her legs and the ability to walk, but an
LD> occupational therapist would teach the person how to climb a ladder, how
LD> to go up and down stairs, etc."


LD> The whole problem here, as it seems to me, is that physical therapy
LD> is concerned with "function" as it is necessary that any goal we write
LD> for a patient has to go beyond the impairment improving but be related
LD> to a functional goal.  

LD> The functional goal is often an "occupational" goal based on what
LD> it is the patient wants to accomplish with therapy.  I cannot say, OK,
LD> you now have "X" degrees in knee/hip flexion and your LE strength is
LD> "X".....now, I am referring you to an OT to learn to climb the ladder. 
LD> I would think that a higher level thinking PT would be able to take
LD> their client to "that next step".  

LD> However......I want you to know that I still am trying to
LD> incorporate understanding and knowledge into my students activities of
LD> our limitations as dictated by modern medical model, and to lead them to
LD> understanding that OT is a vital aspect of a person's recovery and that
LD> we need to know when to refer:)

LD> Peace brother



LD> David A. Lehman, PhD, PT
LD> Associate Professor
LD> Tennessee State University
LD> Department of Physical Therapy
LD> 3500 John A. Merritt Blvd.
LD> Nashville, TN 37209
LD> 615-963-5946
LD> [EMAIL PROTECTED]




LD> -----Original Message-----
LD> From: Ron Carson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
LD> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:34 AM
LD> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LD> Subject: [OTnow] Fwd: Re: History of the word "occupation"


LD> Hello:

LD> A  while  back,  I  wrote  Merriam-Webster  about  the  history  of the word
LD> 'occupation'. Below is their response.

LD> Ron

LD> -----

LD> This is a forwarded message
LD> From: Judy Yeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LD> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LD> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003
LD> Subject: History of the word "occupation"

LD> =================Original message text===============

LD> "Occupation" is related to the word "occupy," and both words ultimately
LD> come from the same Latin root word meaning "to seize, to possess or take
LD> up." An occupation is a taking up of something: occupation of another
LD> country is the taking up or seizing of land; an occupation in the sense
LD> of "an activity" is something that takes up one's time; occupation
LD> meaning "a vocation, profession, employment" is the taking up of one's
LD> time, energies, and life.

LD> This word is very old, and has been in use for centuries. "Occupation"
LD> in the sense of "employment, business, and/or an activity" has been
LD> around since the 1300s at least and was used by authors like Chaucer.

LD> However, "occupational" is more recent. The _Oxford English Dictionary_
LD> gives a citation for it from 1850, and I am unaware of any earlier
LD> appearances of this word.

LD> As for the naming of occupational therapy...I should begin by saying
LD> that I don't know much about occupational therapy, but from reading
LD> several Web pages about the history of occupational therapy and related
LD> disciplines put up by college students studying occupational therapy
LD> (like

LD> http://www.ceap.wcu.edu/hhp/students/JeffMansfield/archive/rthistory.html
LD> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/otpsych/history.html
LD> http://tiger.towson.edu/users/ptappe1/historyOT.htm

LD> I drew these conclusions:

LD> 1) Occupational therapy is rooted in efforts in the 1700s and 1800s to
LD> improve the well-being of mentally ill and infirm people. 

LD> 2) These forerunners of modern-day occupational therapists tried to make
LD> the lives of the mentally ill and infirm more fulfilling by finding them
LD> activities to *occupy* their time and teaching them skills that would be
LD> useful in an *occupation*. 

LD> 3) Nowadays, occupational therapy is concerned with rehabilitating
LD> sufferers of physical illness: injuries (often obtained at work--one's
LD> *occupation*), disabilities, and infirmity. (Perhaps the field of
LD> occupational therapy expanded in the US after soldiers returned from the
LD> first World War?)

LD> 4) Someone claimed on the Internet that George Edward Barton was the
LD> originator of the term "occupational therapy"
LD> 
(http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=61e953aaa46c2c35&rnum=1).
LD> I can't prove or disprove his assertion at the moment,
LD> but you may find the writing I linked to to be interesting reading.

LD> In any case, it seems to me that occupational therapy is called just
LD> that because of its focus on activity, compared to, say, physical
LD> therapy. A physical therapist would help a victim of a car accident
LD> regain muscle tone in his or her legs and the ability to walk, but an
LD> occupational therapist would teach the person how to climb a ladder, how
LD> to go up and down stairs, etc.

LD> I think one reason why occupational therapy remains unknown is that it
LD> is often confused with physical therapy. But as the population
LD> (especially the "baby boomer" segment) ages, knowledge of occupational
LD> therapy will probably spread, since more people will find themselves
LD> needing the services of occupational therapists.

LD> I hope I have been helpful. Thank you for writing to Merriam-Webster.

LD> Sincerely,

LD> Judy Yeh
LD> Assistant Editor
LD> Merriam-Webster, Inc.
LD> 47 Federal Street, P.O. Box 281 
LD> Springfield, MA 01102 
LD> Phone: 413-734-3134, ext. 133 
LD> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
LD> http://www.Merriam-Webster.com 
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