RE: | |But here's another test: Everyone says that to open a program, you just hit the |Windows key and start typing, but what exactly do you do whenever you don't |know the name of the program? I have this situation often as I have a very large |number of apps that I use occasionally. Often I've purchased them as part of a |suite. But if I go looking for one of the audio processing programs that I bought |from Nero, what exactly do I type to find it now? (And yes, I can messily find it |using the "All Applications" thing)
Yep, that's one of my pet peeves. What I find interesting is if you type "disc" you'll get 8 settings, but if you types "disk" you'll get 11. Somewhere some of them must have hard coded the alternative spelling ;) It'd be really nice if apps and applications could have a config file (optionally embedded) that allowed keywords. I'd love to be able to type in "photo" or "graphics" and get a list of my photo or graphics apps etc. It's a little bit longhorn ;) |-----Original Message----- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom |Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 5:02 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? | |I've persevered with Windows 8 but can't say that I'm loving it. I did end up |putting in Start8 and that did fix many of my issues. | | | |And I certainly wouldn't class myself as a "hater" of it, just frustrated. | | | |Here are my simple issues: | | | |1. Why the need to move things to obscure places, for no value? | | | |One of the things that I regularly do before travelling is to take a system image of |my notebook drives, to make it easy to recover. That options used to be in |"Control Panel -> Backup". See if you can find it on Windows 8 without using a |search engine. | | | |2. I really don't like the focus/context shift with the Windows key and the full- |screen start screen. I can no longer refer to other things that were on the screen. |It makes fine sense for a tablet, not so much sense for a desktop machine. (Not |to mention multiple large monitors) | | | |But here's another test: Everyone says that to open a program, you just hit the |Windows key and start typing, but what exactly do you do whenever you don't |know the name of the program? I have this situation often as I have a very large |number of apps that I use occasionally. Often I've purchased them as part of a |suite. But if I go looking for one of the audio processing programs that I bought |from Nero, what exactly do I type to find it now? (And yes, I can messily find it |using the "All Applications" thing) | | | |Similarly, if I hit the Windows key and type "Uninstall", 35 entries come up that all |say "Uninstall". How do I know which is which? | | | |Etc etc | | | |Regards, | | | |Greg | | | |Dr Greg Low | | | |1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax | |SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |<http://www.sqldownunder.com/> | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Richards |Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 4:25 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? | | | |In my opinion, a good interface is one an average person can figure out without |assistance within about 5 minutes. An auto car with a start button (as some cars |have) falls in to this category. You could literally be driving in minutes. | | | |Put someone in front of various mobile OSes and you would probably get the |same thing. | | | |Put someone in front of windows 8 and they'll get stuck. It's like having that nice |easy to use auto car with a big red start button but instead of a brake pedal there |is a hidden touch sensitive region somewhere at the back of the footwell. Sure |they'll get the car moving but the experience will quickly go downhill from there. | | | |And I still hate the office ribbon. | | | | |David | |"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of |cards... checkmate!" | -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama | | | |On 9 May 2013 15:36, Fredericks, Chris <chris.frederi...@hp.com> wrote: | | I suspect the Office Ribbon wouldn't have passed the "The Level 1 |Helpdesk Test" either - but Office hasn't been a 'fail'. And I am sure that most of |the initial 'issues' with Windows 8 will pass in time as users learn it's nuances. | | Sometimes people have to make some effort to move out of their |comfort zone, embrace change and learn something new instead of expecting |everything to be obvious. The first time someone sits behind the steering wheel |in a car, it is not very intuitive on how to use the clutch to change gears, or to |even start the engine. Almost everyone needs to be taught how to drive a car - |does that mean that a motor vehicle is a 'fail'? | | Everything I have read about why Windows 8 is a 'fail' seems a bit |emotive and most of the problems listed are very easily addressed with a little |research and learning. I suspect that safely driving a motor vehicle requires more |effort, learning and concentration than what is required for Windows 8. If you |can't cope with Windows 8, please avoid driving a car anywhere near me or my |family. J | | Just my 2c worth and I am most definitely not trying to offend anyone. | | | | Cheers, | | Chris | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer | Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 2:49 PM | | | To: ozDotNet | Subject: RE: Is Surface really failing? | | | | Caller: "Hello. I can't find my Windows desktop" | | Helpdesk: Press the Windows Key and the letter D at the same time | | | | Caller: "No, I can't see my start menu." | | Helpdesk: Press the Windows Key | | | | You should try managing server 2012 via RDP sometime. It really is just 1 |pixel in the bottom left which is nearly impossible to click on unless your RDP is |full screen. | | | | What do you need on the Start screen on Windows Server 2012? | | | | Cheers | | Ken | | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors | Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 2:13 PM | To: ozDotNet | Subject: Re: Is Surface really failing? | | | | On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, David Burstin |<david.burs...@gmail.com> wrote: | | I am neutral about Windows 8, but what I do find annoying is |that when people voice their opinions they get labeled as 'haters'. While it's a |convenient way to dismiss other people's concerns, what you are basically saying |is "this doesn't bother me so it can't be legitimate and therefore only reason you |are saying it is because you are a troll/hater". Not a great basis for a productive |discussion imho. | | I agree. I have this game I play as a part of mentoring people working for |me on usability. I call it "The Level 1 Helpdesk Test". Whenever I see something |that is batshit crazy, I ask them to run it past The Level 1 Helpdesk Test which |involves: | | 1. Sitting at your PC pretending you're on level 1 helpdesk. | 2. Imagine you've just answered the phone and someone is ringing |up about the feature you've just shown off. | 3. Imagine the conversation with that person as you describe how |to use the feature. | | Windows 8 fails the level 1 help desk test in style. | | | | Caller: "Hello. I can't find my Windows desktop" | | Helpdesk: "Can you see a picture of Seattle or a mountain with desktop |written on it?" | | Caller: "Ummm... no, I think ... I can see a picture of Julia Gillard and the |weather in Paris, but I'm in Brisbane. Should I click on the purple box about |Victoria Beckham?" | | Helpdesk: "No, keep looking for a box with desktop written on it in tiny |writing." | | Caller: "Oh, I've found a flower with desktop written on it." | | Helpdesk: "That's your desktop. Click on that. BTW it is a flower today |but it might be a mountain or seattle tomorrow." | | Caller: "That's better, I can see Windows now." | | Helpdesk: "Is that all?" | | Caller: "No, I can't see my start menu." | | Helpdesk: "Oh, you were just at the start menu." | | Caller: "The boxes with Victoria Beckham?" | | Helpdesk: "Yes, that's it." | | Caller: "Where is it?" | | Helpdesk: "It is in the bottom left single pixel of your monitor." | Caller: "What's a pixel?" | | Helpdesk: "Nevermind, just move your mouse to the bottom left and |you'll see a start menu pop up." | | Caller: "Oh, I see. But when I move my mouse over the button it |disappears." | | Helpdesk: "Oh, you're not meant you click on it, you just move your |mouse to make it appear and then click on it without actually moving your mouse |over it." | | | | etc etc etc | | | | Fkn fail. | | | | Don't even start me on the Charms "Nothing can be shared right now" |bar. | | | | You should try managing server 2012 via RDP sometime. It really is just 1 |pixel in the bottom left which is nearly impossible to click on unless your RDP is |full screen. | | | | What did they do in previous versions of Windows? | | | | Helpdesk: "If you want a document or program, click start." | | Caller: "Thanks!" | | *click* | | | | David. | |
