Speaking of generation differences - my father in law when he was alive (he died a couple of yrs ago aged 82) He would call girls or ladies "Tarts"  He meant it in an affectionate way and did not see it as demeaning.
He was very religious and was born here on the farm and lived here all his life.  He had lived a somewhat sheltered life and had some classic ways of saying things the most funny to us was when he would speak of 'going to the shops and being served by a young tart.'
I don't really care what word is used to refer to me or anyone so long as the sentiment is right.  He never realised that it was derogatory at all and never meant it to be. 
Being nice to someone is so much more important than being politically correct or even getting their name right.  So call me what you will but do it in a nice way! LOL
 
Regards
Rhonda
 
 
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Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 22:48:11
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
 
I don't know but for the lasy 24 yrs when I was in the US, it seemed to me that "gals" only came out of the mouths of people who were from the poodle skirt/bobby sox generation and coming of age in 1968, I  was a little more flower power, "gals" always felt sexist to me. But you know, whatever??? Very subjective. Quite frankly I loved the way midwives here referred to each other as "the girls" whether the "girls" were 25 or 65 when I came back. It never felt demeaning or sexist. But I guess it could be. So, I prefer "girls" to "gals" by heaps...
but really like being called marilyn (though when I was little the other kids couldn't say it so I was most often called maldren and in the US have been called Maryland (don't like that at all) and by some  merrilyn which I have to really listen to to catch the difference. Hey! at least we don't have to wear the veil. I remember my mum going from the linen/voil veil to the paper one. And that was after the war when she wore the cutist kahki jumpsuit, boots and great leather belt as well as a revolver. It must have been quite a change. The jumpsuit was comfy and cool 'cos I wore it in the 70's to uni. Unfortunately, I grew out of it. What in a name she says....
 
heaps
 
marilyn
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Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Dear Pinky
Right on gals
I like from my US friends.
 
 
I also have discomfort when people must use a title on a form or in person!
I feel Mrs Hynd was my mother in law 
Why should woman and not the men have a title which indicates their matrimonial status any way??
M/s I will use if I must!!
Sister gives me the spinal creeps except from the elderly who can't help themselves and I can't waste my energy correcting though I ask them to address me as Denise.
Though I got Sister Denise in PNG.
 when I was with a family who had previously been in Texas I was "Miss Denise" I felt this was charming out of the mouths of the children?
 
Denise

 
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Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:21 AM
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Hi Denise - yep - I dont see any of these titles as quite right for me either -all a bit generic really!
Always aspired to being a "lady" when I was a tomboy kid striving to grow up but somehow didnt have the makings - supression of expression/ restraint of exuberance (sitting quietly- knees together) wasnt achievable (my mother used to sigh with defeat and say, Pinky, you swear and curse like a man!). I'm long past "girl" ; 'woman' is just a term for gender, not a title and it dpends who's saying it -  although I like "I am woman, I am invincible," -  "cook me some eggs, woman!" al la 'Once were Warriors' is not the kind of title I aspire to either!  
 
'Lady' Pinky (Has a ring to it!!)
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Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

 
Dear Pinky
I enjoyed and then thought
about what the title we use for  ourselves means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly.
Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or girl??
Which do I prefer and why.
Possibly neither!
Denise
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Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!

Enjoy !
Pinky
 
Bumper Stickers for Ladies

 BEHIND EVERY SUCCESSFUL WOMAN IS HERSELF
 
 OH MY GOD, I THINK I'M BECOMING THE MAN I WANTED TO MARRY!
 
 GINGER ROGERS DID EVERYTHING FRED ASTAIRE DID, BUT SHE DID IT  BACKWARDS AND IN HIGH HEELS
 
 A WOMAN IS LIKE A TEA BAG...YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG SHE IS UNTIL  YOU PUT HER IN HOT WATER

 
I HAVE YET TO HEAR A MAN ASK FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO COMBINE MARRIAGE  AND A CAREER

 
SO MANY MEN, SO FEW WHO CAN AFFORD ME

 COFFEE, CHOCOLATE, MEN ... SOME THINGS ARE JUST BETTER RICH

 DON'T TREAT ME ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THE QUEEN

 
I'M OUT OF ESTROGEN AND I HAVE A GUN

 WARNING: I HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND I KNOW HOW TO USE IT

 OF COURSE I DON'T LOOK BUSY...I DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME

 
DO NOT START WITH ME. YOU WILL NOT WIN

 
ALL STRESSED OUT AND NO ONE TO CHOKE

 
I CAN BE ONE OF THOSE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO BAD PEOPLE

 
HOW CAN I MISS YOU IF YOU WON'T GO AWAY?

 
DON'T UPSET ME! I'M RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO HIDE THE BODIES

 And last but not least:

 IF YOU WANT BREAKFAST IN BED, SLEEP IN THE KITCHEN  
 
 
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