On Feb 4, 2011, at 12:12 PM, David Barrett <dbarr...@quinthar.com> wrote:
> On 02/04/2011 08:58 AM, Julian Cain wrote: >> >> This is false. Egypt cut ALL Internet traffic including mobile. Having said >> this the only solution is an AD-HOC network built with existing hardware w/ >> internet gateways somewhere along the path. This technology has been around >> for quite some time. The downside is that it takes an incredible amount of >> effort to daisy chain home and office routers in a manner that will "act" >> like the Internet. This is the only solution to a complete >> government/corporate takeover. Build a new Internet with existing hardware >> that gateways users into the public Internet. > > Just to clarify, did Egypt cut *domestic* phone and internet, or just > *international*? For example, if I had a server inside Egypt, using an > Egyptian domain, could users inside Egypt generally access it? > They cut both domestic and international. No a user cannot access a domain that lies within Egypt's boundaries nor any other when this occurs. > >> Most home routers can perform this either by extending the network or >> bridging networks. > > The only way something like this will take off is if it provides some > *very* compelling value even when the internet is functioning normally. > Otherwise it'll always be relegated to being a tiny fringe project. > > > I think a better approach is to prepare a system that uses the internet > when it's available (as it almost always is), but then offers to set up > a DHT or even, ad hoc mesh network -- or even a "sneakernet" -- if it > detects the internet has stopped functioning. > > For example, imagine that everybody's mobile Twitter device, upon > discovering a loss of connection to twitter.com, offered to connect to > the "BlueTooth mesh". In high-density environments like a protest, I > imagine it could actually work. Then all the laptops that had domestic > internet access establish a DHT (perhaps they quietly had it established > all along) and bridge the various bluetooth meshes that have sprung up > around the nation. And at that time also mention that it can just > "manually synchronize" using a USB keydrive or MP3 player. > > But all this needs to be kept quiet, totally automated, and entirely > unobtrusive in normal operation; it can't bother people to even consider > these options when the internet is available, because the internet is so > much more convenient to use. Nobody will care about any of these > features, and they'll be an active *demerit* to the application that > *reduces* its adoption -- up until everybody absolutely depends on them. > > -david > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
