Le 16/05/2014 03:19, grarpamp a écrit :
I think my understanding of that 'facilitators' slide is that those facilitators are indeed interfacing with the bidirectional BT
Yes
(as server [publishing, takedownable], and as client [downloading, a lesser action]) protocol.
As client only, they behave as total free riders to be as discrete as possible, they don't publish anything, don't say what they have (because they have nothing, please see below), use different port for each connection, etc, they just take pieces from others, of course others can see them.
Unless there is a demand one day, it is not foreseen that faciliators do the contrary (ie relay peersm content to bittorrent).
And then redistributing that content privately within the peersm network.
They relay the bittorrent messages in the encrypted peersm network, they don't keep anything, don't keep traces of anything, they keep the pieces in memory and consume/send them sequentially, the anonymous requester inside peersm becomes the seeder in peersm network.
My only issue with that would be that, if so, you are still exposing those clearnet interfaces to needless takedown for their publishing component,
I don't know exactly what's the risk for the facilitators (ie how copyright enforcers could detect them and decide to take them down) , probably low, they do this unconsciously so they should not be eligible to take down
whereas 'filesharing' users could simply elect to build their communities entirely underground with never any interface to clearnet and its protocols. A slower, less instant growth, but a safer one to be sure.
That's the goal but starting a P2P without any content is a kind of difficult, originally the bittorrent client was not an idea of us, that's what people want, for streaming mainly.
(And I usually only advocate for sharing content users have right to.)
Me too, the initial intent of Peersm was not really to create an anonynous bittorrent like, but again that's what people are asking for.
I may be very wrong on this understanding of the slide in question. I will read your links further to determine the case regarding interface to clearnet. Thanks.
Thanks, comments, remarks, critics are welcome, as previously mentionned the facilitators are a small part of the project, their importance is more to keep the content alive inside peersm since the browsers peers are ephemeral (until maybe there are many many peers), nothing else in peersm interfaces with clearnet.
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