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Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that it was a good workflow. Just a response the immediate question, which perhaps was inappropriate without the rest of the thread for background. I guess I'm sort of like the Microsoft folks in the story about the lost pilot. Factually accurate but functionally useless. <g>
later...
At 09:07 AM 3/26/2004, Rich Sprague wrote:
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Sorry, Melvin. But this workflow is stinkier than a heap of anchovies on a pizza.
I took a simple text doc made with InDesign on my Mac using a PostScript font that I knew was not on my PC. I embedded (but did not subset the font). I brought the PDF over to my PC which viewed fine. I then saved a Word doc from the PDF. Word didn't know what to do with the font and converted it to Arial. Strike one. BTW, the embedded font in the PDF was Type 1.
I'm not saying that one can't make a Word file from many PDF files that are acceptable. The questions are, however:
1. Will it work consistently? No. Strike two.
2. Will it work with every PDF? No.
3. Would this drive most designers crazy? Absolutely. Strike three.
4. Is it worth the effort and cost? ???
I shudder every time a client wants to play around with my designs...especially in a word processing program.
Rich
-----Original Message----- From: Melvin Backus Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc
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Postscript *used* to be converted to TT on Windows platforms, but I don't think it is any more, so I can't say. As for the editing, I'd think that since the font was in the file it would probably work, but I don't know that I've ever tried it. Same goes for a PDF though wouldn't you say?
At 08:39 PM 3/25/2004, Rich Sprague wrote:
>The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | >http://www.pdfzone.com >__________________________________________________________________ > >And if the client wants to screw around with the document and make >changes??? > >And if I happened to use PostScript fonts in the document??? > >Rich > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Melvin Backus >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:25 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | >http://www.pdfzone.com >__________________________________________________________________ > >You embed the fonts in the document, just like you do with a PDF. They >aren't usable outside the document, but it views and prints correctly >with the fonts you've chosen. It's in the general options on the tools >menu from the save dialog. There's a check box which says "Embed Truetype fonts" > >At 06:39 PM 3/25/2004, Rich Sprague wrote: > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > >http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >So what happens if I create a sales sheet in InDesign in Futura and > >Columbo fonts, and the client wants a copy in Word? Even if I could > >duplicate the original file in Word, which is doubtful, how is the > >client going to view the Word file without purchasing the Futura and > >Columbo fonts, and without me sending the fonts along with the Word file? > > > >Rich > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Kavanaugh, Kerry P > >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:47 AM > >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > > > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > >http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >Now that's it's lunch time and it's raining outside, I decided to try > >an experiment. I took a document that was created in MS Word with > >Futura font, then created a PDF out of it, then ran the Abbyy > >program, and yes it thought the font was Arial in the text window in > >Abbyy. I selected what I wanted to be a different font, went to the > >font pull down menu and selected Futura and then sent it to MS Word, > >and the text in the document in MS Word was still Futura. > > > >Now I agree it would have been nice if Abbyy had kept it as Futura, > >but at least this way I can still edit the text in MS Word. If I > >saved it as a jpg, I would waste more time trying to edit the text there. > > > >Kerry > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Rich Sprague > >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:24 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > > > > > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > >http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >Interesting alternative, but... > > > >I tested the same ad with Abbyy and basically it just placed an image > >of the PDF in the Word doc. This could have been done for free by > >saving the PDF as a jpg. > > > >If there wasn't text over the image, then the text retained its >editability. > >The problem here is that the original text was in futura, and Abbyy > >converted it to Arial. > > > >The concept that a professional designer can send a Word file > >conversion (from InDesign, PageMaker, Illustator, etc.) to a client > >for editing or other use, and have it look exactly like the original > >design, has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. > > > >This is a dilemma for many designers, as I have had clients who don't > >understand why I can't just send them a Word file from my creations. > >It seems that they have been convinced by the Microsoft Gods that the > >final word in document creation is, in fact, Word. That said, many > >clients who are mired in arial/times new roman quicksand see no > >difference or value in font selection, and simply replace futura with >arial. > > > >Ah, the battle between designers and corporate document technicians > >lives on. Of course, this is often a contest between egos and money, > >with staff unhappy that designers charge $50 to $150 an hour, > >claiming that the precise and creative work of designers is an > >unnecessary expenditure of corporate pennies. After all, there really > >isn't any difference between futura and arial, is there? > > > >Rich > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Kavanaugh, Kerry P > >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:57 AM > >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > > > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > >http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >Another solution is to use a program like Abby Finereader which can > >convert your PDF (with graphics) to MS Word. The top end version of > >this program can also output to XML. > > > >Kerry > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Kevin Brown > >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:33 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > > > > > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > >http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >Quoting Rich Sprague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > > > http://www.pdfzone.com > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > This is the same old, same old. > > > > > > I took an add made in InDeign which had text on top of an image. > > > Then I saved a Word doc from the PDF. > > > > > > With the print to Adobe PDF version, the image didn't appear in > > > the Word doc. > > > > > > With the export to PDF version, the image appeared by itself, > > > followed by the text. > > > > > > In both cases, the text fonts and styles were botched. > > > > > > The moral to the story...the PDF format was never intended to be a > > > means to convert a page layout-designed document into a Word doc. > > > >Sorry, I didn't read this entire thread, but there are of course > >other options that are in many cases better at doing this then Adobe Acrobat. > >Try Scansoft > > > >PDFConverter or BCL Jade for example. > > > >Speaking of such options, has anyone tried and been happy with > >PDF-XML programs like CambrdigeDocs? > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of JR Boulay > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:59 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [PDF] Saving PDF File to Word Doc > > > > > > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > > > http://www.pdfzone.com > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Considers that you're lucky, each time I'd tried to save as .doc, > > > Acrobat crashs... ;-( > > > > > > I get better results by selecting all texts, and copy-pasting to a > > > word processor. > > > > > > > > > To change your subscription: > > > http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > > > > > > > To change your subscription: > > > http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To change your subscription: > >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > >To change your subscription: > >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > > > >To change your subscription: > >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > >To change your subscription: > >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > > > > >To change your subscription: > >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Melvin Backus >Principal Wizard >Sleepy Dragon Enterprises >www.sleepydragon.net > > >To change your subscription: >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html > > >To change your subscription: >http://www.pdfzone.com/discussions/lists-pdf.html
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