If you've attended a lot of gallery shows lately, you may have seen some 
digital BW and not realized it. Then again, maybe not. A fair comparison of 
digital and silver print BW is difficult to achieve, because a good darkroom 
print maker may not be a good digital print maker. Only time and the weight of 
evidence will eventually decide this issue.

Nevertheless, I look forward to printing your files. Hope to receive some soon.


> Paul,  that's all well and good, but my point is quite simply this: I have
> not yet SEEN a digi-photoshop-inkjet print that equals or betters  a high
> quality (exhibition quality, if you'd like) B&W print made on fiber based
> silver paper.  People keep telling me about them, but I've not yet seen
> one.  I've been to shows and exhibitions here, have seen numerous prints
> made by many photographers, but have yet to see an actual print that
> compares with or betters a high quality silver fiber-based B&W print.
> 
> When someone like Godfrey says he's doing his best work ever, all I can do
> is shrug since there's no point of comparison.  It means not a whit to me
> that he's been involved in photography for forty years.  For all I know his
> work could be crap and the people judging it couldn't tell quality from
> trash.
> 
> You're telling us what Tim Damon said - show me a print.  You're telling us
> what you saw.  Show me a print.  Look, I have great respect for you as a
> photographer, but only through what I've seen on the web.  Your idea of
> quality and mine may be miles apart, or not.  I am skeptical.
> 
> All this does not mean I've not seen some very fine B&W digital work.  I
> have.  But none has come up to the quality I'd like to see.
> 
> True, you will be making some prints and sending them my way (as soon as I
> get the files off to you), and that may help to determine how close our
> concepts of quality are, so it will be  a start.  Meanwhile, the challenge
> goes out to everyone on the list: show me a print that equals or betters a
> quality silver, fiber-based B&W print made in a wet darkroom.  When I see
> one I'll shut up.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Tim Damon is a California based pro, who shoots a lot of cars and various 
> > other things for both editorial and advertising. His day rate is in the
> neighborhood 
> > of 10K, so he's an "A" shooter. I saw his portfolio Thursday. It included
> several 
> > dozen beautiful BW prints on Epson Radiant Watercolor Paper. I asked
> about 
> > the equipment. He said they were all shot with the Canon 1DS and
> converted in 
> > PhotoShop. They were printed on an Epson 2200. I don't know if it was
> with 
> > custom inks or not. Should have asked, but it slipped my mind.
> >
> > Most of the pros I've spoken to are shooting digital for both BW and
> color. 
> > Most feel their digital prints are better than the silver prints they
> produced in years 
> > past. In any case, it's obviously the wave of the future for all but
> hobbyists and 
> > some fine art photographers.
> 
> 

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