The only way to be unarmed is to remove the thinking man's brain. I agree with Heinlein. There's no such thing as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men (and women).
-Adam Tom C wrote: > Well my point (even though I'm not anti-gun) is that it's better for no one > to be armed than anybody to be armed. That's what logic dictates to me. > > Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the > violence. That's also logical. > > Tom C. > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 >> >> There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the >> province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely to kill >> a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot >> anyway). A government with an army and a lot of guns, or a single >> nuclear weapon can kill a whole lot of people. For that reason alone I >> believe logic dictates tis better for individuals to be armed and >> governments to be disarmed. >> >> Tom C wrote: >>> Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have killed more >>> people than nuclear weapons... so far. >>> >>> In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They have >> both >>> led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is largely, >> to >>> kill, unlike other inventions which may endanger life. >>> >>> Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is simplistic, but >> the >>> truth often is. >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 >>>> >>>> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend >>>> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the English >>>> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. >>>> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To restrict >>>> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. >>>> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the >>>> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in the >>>> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? >>>> >>>> >>>> William Robb wrote: >>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain >>>>>> >>>> banned >>>> >>>>>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), >>>>>> >>>> violent >>>> >>>>>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent >> crime >>>>>> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that >>>>>> >>>> smuggling >>>> >>>>>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom of >>>>>> something else. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Straw man argument, Peter. >>>>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more >>>>> >>>> seriously >>>> >>>>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used at >>>>> >>>> range >>>> >>>>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. >>>>> >>>>> William Robb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
