Then it would have been enough to make some noise to avoid the arrest, wouldn´t it?
Anyway, gas is silent and the Russians used it recently in the theater hostage affair. Remember? DagT Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 23.25 skrev P. J. Alling: > Nothing really, no I take that back. The secret police prefer to work > in silence, grenades are so publicly noisy, and hard to ignore. > > DagT wrote: >> Great idea! What would stop them from throwing in a hand grenade >> instead, or some gas? Sure, the camps would have been emptier. >> >> DagT >> >> Den 10. jan. 2007 kl. 21.48 skrev Bob Sullivan: >> >> >>> I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, >>> thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the >>> secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night >>> raids >>> would have been met with a loaded gun. >>> Regards, Bob S. >>> >>> On 1/10/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well my point (even though I'm not anti-gun) is that it's better >>>> for no one >>>> to be armed than anybody to be armed. That's what logic dictates >>>> to me. >>>> >>>> Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the >>>> violence. That's also logical. >>>> >>>> Tom C. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are >>>>> more the >>>>> province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely >>>>> to kill >>>>> a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot >>>>> anyway). A government with an army and a lot of guns, or a single >>>>> nuclear weapon can kill a whole lot of people. For that reason >>>>> alone I >>>>> believe logic dictates tis better for individuals to be armed and >>>>> governments to be disarmed. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have >>>>>> killed more >>>>>> people than nuclear weapons... so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They >>>>>> have >>>>>> >>>>> both >>>>> >>>>>> led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is >>>>>> largely, >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> kill, unlike other inventions which may endanger life. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is >>>>>> simplistic, but >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> truth often is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to >>>>>>> defend >>>>>>> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the >>>>>>> English >>>>>>> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban >>>>>>> in GB. >>>>>>> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To >>>>>>> restrict >>>>>>> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. >>>>>>> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not >>>>>>> have the >>>>>>> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William Robb wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great >>>>>>>>> Britain >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> banned >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more >>>>>>>>> difficult), >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> violent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, >>>>>>>>> (violent >>>>>>>>> >>>>> crime >>>>> >>>>>>>>> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> smuggling >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a >>>>>>>>> symptom of >>>>>>>>> something else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Straw man argument, Peter. >>>>>>>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> seriously >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be >>>>>>>> used at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> range >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>>>>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. >>>>> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> DagT >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -- > > The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
