That's what he thought. But so far in human history the invention of weapons and arming has only resulted in addtional death and destruction. In any small case one can make a point for obtaining and using weapons, but when one looks at the big picture...
More likely than not though, it would have only resulted in more death on both sides. Tom C. >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:48:24 -0600 > >I've heard that Boris's Russian countryman, Alexander Solzenitzen, >thought the gulags would have been a lot emptier in their day if the >secret police were uncertain which of their middle of the night raids >would have been met with a loaded gun. >Regards, Bob S. > >On 1/10/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well my point (even though I'm not anti-gun) is that it's better for no >one > > to be armed than anybody to be armed. That's what logic dictates to me. > > > > Rather than fighting violence with violence, find a way to stop the > > violence. That's also logical. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > >Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:34:22 -0500 > > > > > >There is a matter of proportion however nuclear weapons are more the > > >province of governments. A single person with a gun is unlikely to >kill > > >a lot of people before they're stopped, (by my definition of a lot > > >anyway). A government with an army and a lot of guns, or a single > > >nuclear weapon can kill a whole lot of people. For that reason alone I > > >believe logic dictates tis better for individuals to be armed and > > >governments to be disarmed. > > > > > >Tom C wrote: > > > > Guns kill just like nuclear weapons kill. In fact guns have killed >more > > > > people than nuclear weapons... so far. > > > > > > > > In retrospect, *probably* both inventions were a bad idea. They >have > > >both > > > > led to untold injury, death, and suffering. Their purpose is >largely, > > >to > > > > kill, unlike other inventions which may endanger life. > > > > > > > > Am I anti-gun? No. Just making a point. Sure this is simplistic, >but > > >the > > > > truth often is. > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > > > >> Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > >> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:12 -0500 > > > >> > > > >> Sorry, I must disagree. An armed victim is more likely to defend > > > >> herself than a disarmed victim. To paraphrase a member of the >English > > > >> House of Lords in the losing battle against the handgun ban in GB. > > > >> 'Firearms are used to defend the weak against the strong. To >restrict > > > >> their use by citizens is to deny them the right to self defense. > > > >> Governments may have the power to do that, but should not have the > > > >> right.' Apparently the British Government no longer believes in >the > > > >> Citizens right of self defense. Do you? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> William Robb wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hand guns don't cause crime, if that were true once Great Britain > > > >>>> > > > >> banned > > > >> > > > >>>> all hand guns, (and made shotgun ownership much more difficult), > > > >>>> > > > >> violent > > > >> > > > >>>> crime would have been eliminated, in fact it increased, (violent > > >crime > > > >>>> rates in England are now higher than in the US). I doubt that > > > >>>> > > > >> smuggling > > > >> > > > >>>> firearms is the cause of violent crime in Canada, it's a symptom >of > > > >>>> something else. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> Straw man argument, Peter. > > > >>> Gun crimes are more likely to end up with the victim being more > > > >>> > > > >> seriously > > > >> > > > >>> hurt or dead than other types of weapons crimes, and can be used >at > > > >>> > > > >> range > > > >> > > > >>> where the victim has less chance of self defence. > > > >>> > > > >>> William Robb > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> -- > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > > > >> -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >> PDML@pdml.net > > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >-- > > > > > >The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. > > > -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael > > > > > > > > >-- > > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >PDML@pdml.net > > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
