Maybe but if your like other people I know who live under the Crown-subject system just let them make, hopefully, a mistake and target you and see how you like the system then. The job of the police is apprehension not protection in reality. Just ask one. So between the time they might get there and the time the trouble starts a person has to take responsibility for his protection and that of his home and family. If there is no possibility that a gun could be involved (ha ha) then it behooves the person involved to at least take up some martial art as an act of protection for him and his family. I've been involved in various martial arts for over 30 years. I'm proficient with just about every possible missile throwing weapon up to and including the M79 grenade launcher in the US military arsenal. Between my late father, and my brother and I we could have probably made several Olympic teams in various shotgun, rifle, and archery competitions (I was also invited to the Olympic trials in volleyball in 68 and 72). I'm just paranoid enough that in a society with no guns at all I feel pretty safe. But in any land where bad guys can have them I wouldn't feel safe without something of my own and neither would my wife. So let's get back to photography where the things we shoot don't die as a result. Kent Gittings -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:03 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: OT: Re: Australians
I've stayed out of this one so far, but as a naturalised Australian born in England I now gotta jump in! Kent, the presumption of innocence also applies in both England and Australia - the rule is that, in a jury trial, the jury must be satisfied 'beyond reasonable doubt' of the guilt of the accused. It is only recently that some offences can be tried with a majority verdict rule applying, also. Incidentally, since the Americas were settled largely by the English and French, you may find that the basis of your US law was that of English 18th century law, modified after independence. After the various massacres that have occurred (Dunblane, Port Arthur, Columbine) it amazes me to think that anyone anywhere still believes it's Ok for ordinary citizens to ordinarily possess weapons not necessary to their trade (eg farmers with anti-vermin weapons, not M16's, AK47's or even M60's!). I am not sure, either, that I don't prefer our police and security forces having the right to fully investigate suspected terrorists without the constraints of their so-called 'civil rights' having to be taken into account. And we don't have legislation to allow a military court to summarily try and execute suspects either! I promise this will be my only contribution to this OT thread! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:36 AM, Kent Gittings [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Coming from a freedom loving gun happy culture like America I was wondering > how the average Aussie perceives the latest police regs I saw posted from > Australia. Seems to me here at least we would be up in arms if our > government was given the police powers that yours are given. I realize a lot > of it is based on English law (guilty until proven innocent) and not > American law (innocent until proven guilty). > Over here bumper stickers are a big form of political/social comment. In > this realm a common one goes: > "A man with a gun is a citizen" > "A man without a gun is a subject" > Kent Gittings > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Waterson > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: Re: Australians > > > Paul Jones wrote: > > > > > I think that referendum for a republic was defeated due to the proposed > > system that was put forward, not because we didnt want to become a > republic. > > Yes, this was also played a big part in it. > The republic model put forward was very wanting in democratic process. > > > Its kinda interesting to see how some people from other countries persieve > > us. > > I am an Australian, I live in Byron Bay > > Kevin > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ********************************************************************** > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
