Mis, I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has a problem with VPN (vertical pattern noise), which often screwed up nocturnal landscape shots. Sometimes I could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Miserere <miser...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Miserere <miser...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: K7 or Kx > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:28 PM > On 1 September 2010 11:02, Boris > Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Steve, if camera has highest ISO of 3200, it usually > means that it is > > unusable, but ISO 800 is pretty ok. So, if highest ISO > is 12,800 (or even > > 102,400) it probably means that ISO 3200 (or 32,000) > is usable. It is like > > fuel consumption figures of cars of battery longevity > of cell phones. It is > > all lies, but it is still (co)rel(l)ated to the real > world in a manner of > > speaking... > > > > Boris > > I'm going to disagree here, and also qualify some comments > that are > being thrown around haphazardly in this thread (and all > over the > internet): > > 1) On some cameras, the maximum ISO is unusable, but that > is not a > universal truth. For example, on the K100D and K10D the > maximum ISO is > highly usable and of very good quality. There are probably > other > cameras out there for which this is true, but I can speak > of these two > cameras with user knowledge. > > 2) The K10D IS NOT RUBBISH at ISO 1600! People say all the > time that > the K10D is bad in low light, but never explain what this > means. If by > "low light" you mean "not enough light to achieve correct > exposure", > then yes, the K10D falls short when you underexpose and > then try to > recover an underexposed image. However, if by "low light" > you mean > "light so low that you need to use ISO 1600 for correct > exposure", > then no, the K10D is not bad. When proper exposure is > achieved, the > K10D works very well at ISO 1600: > > http://lh6.ggpht.com/_i6tc3TCyOTA/StaFNYxyztI/AAAAAAAACqA/ZjR63tKSk9M/s800/IMGP6109-small.jpg > http://lh4.ggpht.com/Miserere/SP1U3Ik6lTI/AAAAAAAABrA/XBLIMplJLv0/s800/IMGP0313-small.jpg > http://lh4.ggpht.com/Miserere/SP1U4StRHeI/AAAAAAAABrg/Vthl6szbqvk/s800/IMGP0345-small.jpg > http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00V/00VgZv-217447584.jpg > > The same is true for the K100D Super at ISO 3200: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Miserere/TheFranklinKiteTTTheBearS20August2009#5389958172780052770 > http://picasaweb.google.com/Miserere/TheFranklinKiteTTTheBearS20August2009#5389958224218569394 > http://picasaweb.google.com/Miserere/TheFranklinKiteTTTheBearS20August2009#5389958203791795010 > > I've seen many shitty ISO 1600 shots from K10D's, and > invariably they > were shot by someone who didn't know how to shoot the K10D > at high > ISO, meaning they underexposed their images and then > increased the > exposure in postprocessing. High ISO shooting is a whole > 'nother game, > and I suspect it's different for each camera, but there's > certainly a > learning curve that most photographers don't crawl up > before > announcing to the World that a particular camera is bad at > high ISO. > > You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot > at ISO 6400. > > Rant over. And it wasn't directed at you, Boris. Sorry that > your > message was the one I replied to. > > Cheers, > > > --M. > -- > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
