On 1 November 2010 12:09, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I respectfully disagree. As long as Limited lenses are produced
> you're right. But they are not going to be produced forever. If, for
> some reason, they are produced forever, then this whole branch of
> discussion has no point, but I think it does have a point.
>
> No, not really (on both counts). Given longevity of my K10D and given
> Paul's comment that few more generations of Pentax DSLRs will have the
> screwdrive AF - it is not unreasonable to project that we'll have the
> tools to shoot with for the next 5 years or may be even more. However,
> Paul is also right pointing out that certain measures have to be taken
> in order to make one forward compatible, in a manner of speaking.

Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what
*might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is
what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I need a DA lens for
my subjects, then I'll buy it and use it; it would seem silly to me
not to do so just because *maybe* in 5 years time that lens will
become unusable on the new bodies. I don't look at my Photography
equipment as an investment fund, but rather like a toolbox. Some tools
last forever, others become obsolete and lose all value; nevertheless,
these obsolete tools might have been indispensable to my trade for 99%
of their working life.

> I don't want new primes. My old primes are still pretty transparent
> and shoot pretty damn good. In fact, I'd rather Pentax saw the
> backward compatibility as a strength or offered a reasonable path out.
> They seem to do neither having recently introduced the likes of
> 100/2.8 Macro WR which is screwdriven AF. Nor do they offer anything
> similar to FA limited lenses. Consider, Miserere, you have moderately
> fast moderately wide, normal and portrait lenses. I don't care about
> unique focal lengths or extra special build - I care about
> photographer tools. If you want to buy a lens wider than 35 mm and
> faster than 2.0 you have no options. If you want to buy a lens longer
> than 70 mm and faster than 2.0 you have no options. Even if you want
> to buy a normal lens (DA 55 being positioned specifically as FA 85/1.4
> replacement) - you have no options. It is either older scredriver AF
> gear or third party lenses. Now, Pentax is known for their glass
> making, not colorful plastic, so I don't like the conclusion I am
> arriving at.

No argument from me on that! I've been quite vocal (fingeral?) on many
Pentax forums about the lack of fast primes in certain focal lengths;
I am well aware that despite Pentax being known as a prime lens
specialist, their range has some serious holes. But...I don't see a
MILC as an evolution of the K-mount cameras but rather as a parallel
entity, and as such, it requires independence from its K-mount
brethren. It should be its own camera, and it should have new lenses
that take advantage of the reduced registration distance (meaning they
can be smaller, simpler and lighter) and the camera shouldn't be
handicapped just for the sake of backwards compatibility with lenses
from another line.

I'm not saying that MILCs should overrun DSLRs; there should still be
K-5s, K-3s and K-1s for those that need/want/prefer a DSLR, but for
those of us who want the convenience and advantages of a MILC, the
option should be there.

> If Samsung is serious about it - they'll get there eventually.
> Presently I looked at Panasonic GH2. it seems that now the offer the
> trio of good lenses - 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 45/2.8 macro. The sensor tech
> seems to be up to date state of art, so - there you go... Samsung
> keeps introducing new lenses as well, so your wishes are likely to be
> answered before Pentax shows their product.

Samsung is very serious about it, but I wonder for how long if the
market doesn't respond like they hope it will. Panolympus will likely
continue to evolve their micro-4/3 line, seeing as it's their current
cash cow, and they've finally started to get some more primes into
their stable, but I'm not too convinced by their camera bodies. It's
all about taste and preference, and *I* like the Samsung NX10 camera a
lot more. When I've saved up enough money to buy my next camera, I'll
see what's available and make my choice; I would love for Pentax to
have an option for me at that time.

> It seems to me that I am approaching the dead end with my gear.

Surely not! You will always be able to use your 50mm f/1.2 on a Pentax
camera  :-)


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