I see...
So, to that specific lady involved with FB you would suggest starting a
movement or trying to engage as many people as possible to do exactly
what? Sue FB in court? Boycott FB? Flood FB with content that is 100%
borderline between valid and invalid as far as FB rules go? Try to find
who are the moderators and deal with them personally? Contact mass media
and try to make her story very widely public?
See, Bob, I'm not being sarcastic here - I'm very much interested in
your opinion.
I should point out that your childhood example, although commendable has
few serious, how to put it, points that make it less relevant, here. As
a child you had not much to loose. At worst, although very unpleasant,
you would have ended up being bullied, but that's what you were up
against in the first place. Second - I don't think that it took much
time or effort to find other boys with whom you joined and convince them
to participate in your plan.
In grown up life, you see, the balance is much more delicate. For
example, consider this, Bob, as my age grows, which it does day by day,
I'm becoming more and more subject to professional "bullying". I observe
that now on example of my co-workers who are full 10 years older than
me. At age of 50+ it is not going to be easy to find a new job should
one just decide to knock their fist on the table and leave. Thus, your
employer may decide not to raise your salary, not to promote you
upwards, not to send you to workshops, etc.
Of course there're ways to deal with that, but given that as a grown up
you often have a mortgage to pay, kids to educate, life to live, etc,
the cost/benefit consideration which I mentioned early becomes more
complex than that of a child who stands up against his bullies.
For example, if I understand correctly, that lady has some business
involved with her FB exposure, so that to go up against FB could either
make her very famous (as in documentary film famous) or make her life
significantly more miserable (than having her child's photo removed by
FB moderators or robot programs) as far as her business go. Like we say
in Russian - "don't saw the tree-branch on which you're sitting".
Ultimately, you're right - the bullies must be stood up against, however
I think you would agree with me that it is not just black or just white
in real grown up life.
Boris
On 12/10/2013 10:51 AM, Bob W wrote:
On 10 Dec 2013, at 05:11, Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/9/2013 9:56 PM, Bob W wrote: That is a recipe for
victimhood. It's analogous to telling women not to use the
subway, or not to go out after dark. In other words, give in to
bullies rather than stand up for what's right, even at some cost
to yourself.
Do I understand you correctly, Bob, that in fact there is a
cost/benefit consideration here? I mean - in real life, not some
idealized world.
No, you don't. I say that you should not put yourself in the position
of a victim, and that standing up for yourself may have a cost, but
you should pay it. In the case of say women being told not to go out
after dark, this was resolved, at least in London in the 80s, by a
movement called Reclaim the Streets, in which people banded together
do exactly that. So refusing to be a victim does not have to be
something one does on one's own at huge personal risk, but something
that people join together to do.
This way you can be both right and wise.
I went to a boarding school from the age of 11 to 18. In the first
week the older boys tried to bully me and the other new boys. I had
conscientiously read my Billy Bunter books before starting school, so
I knew the correct protocols. I joined together with one or two of
the other boys and we beat up one of the bullies and threw him into a
rose bush. We then took a one-off punishment beating, but were never
bullied after that. Some of the other new boys automatically adopted
a victim position, were bullied forever more and had a bloody
miserable time.
B
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