Gary F., List:

Gf: Are you claiming that everyone has to be aware enough of “the current
state of their knowledge” to make such a judgment on it before undertaking
any investigation? The fact that curiosity etc. *can be understood* as
forms of dissatisfaction doesn’t imply that any feeling of dissatisfaction
necessarily enters into the actual process. I doubt that all explorers are
so introspective.

My point was that we are unlikely to undertake an investigation of
something that we already know, or at least *believe* that we already
know.  I did not say anything about a particular *feeling* of
dissatisfaction, only that we engage in inquiry when we *are* dissatisfied
with our current knowledge; i.e., when we experience the irritation of
(genuine) doubt.

Gf: This is such an essential part of Peirce’s critical common-sensism and
pragmaticism that I hardly know where to begin. How can you exercise any
control over your actions if you have no idea of their predictable
consequences? Where can you get such ideas except by learning from
experience about principles of causality in nature, and intentionality in
human nature? (Human nature is a part of nature, not apart from it.)

Now I see what you meant, thanks for clarifying.

Gf: My whole point is that there *is no* definite division between natural
and conscious purposes; purposefulness, which Peirce calls Thought (or
Thirdness), is a continuum including everything from natural tendencies to
conscious decision-making and adoption of ideals of conduct. Manipulation,
like all conduct, is always done for *some* purpose; ethics is a matter of
becoming conscious of what those purposes are, to the extent that one can
judge some end (as well as some means to an end) to be better than another.

You said before that "discovery of principles *in nature* ... is, for any
philosopher, ethically privileged over manipulation of any kind."  Isn't
this a judgment that one particular end is better than *any* other?  Is the
warrant for this perhaps the notion that achieving this end is a
prerequisite to properly evaluating all other possible ends?  Even if so,
don't we have to know *how* to go about discovering principles in nature
before we can proceed with doing so--or else learn how to do so *by* doing
so (i.e., trial and error)?  If mathematics is the practice of *necessary*
reasoning, for which *deductive* logic is the theory, then what is the
practice of *creative* reasoning, for which *abductive* logic is the theory?

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
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