Clark- but isn't the reality of the biological realm, which
introduces the non-isolation of a system and self-organization and
thus, works against entropy - a natural action? After all, the basic
mode of action of semiosis is its non-isolation - and the
transformation of energy from one to another mode.
Is the universe growing more reasonable according to Peirce? Or more
complex? I don't see how the universe is growing more ordered IF that
same universe maintains its three categories: Firstness rejects
order. Secondness fights against similarities. Thirdness inserts
order.
Again- I might be missing something in your outline.
Edwina
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On Wed 05/04/17 4:02 PM , Clark Goble cl...@lextek.com sent:
On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
So- I don't see how Peirce's view is incompatible with the current
view - but I might be missing what you are trying to explain.
Peirce explicitly saw entropy and conservation as not applying
universally because they only applied to determinate systems. He also
saw entropy as a statistical measure. The question is whether his
semiotics violates the laws of thermodynamics and he explicitly saw
that they did. The question then becomes how contemporary
understanding of thermodynamics in science would see it. Most
contemporary science sees thermodynamics as unbreakable. In that case
if the universe is getting more ordered that violates the second law
of thermodynamics.
So fundamentally the question is whether Peirce’s view that the
universe is growing to more reasonableness is incompatible with
thermodynamics. Clearly it is.
I don’t think that says much about the utility of semiotics. It
does raise serious questions about his cosmology though for many
people.
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