It’s okay, Helmut. Happy New Year everyone.
Wendy > On 31 Dec 2017, at 18:23, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Jon, > Yes, Ive read that too: After the three wise men had left, an angel told Mary > and Joseph that Herod wants to kill the child, and they should flee to Egypt, > which they did. But the portray was "taken" in the barn, so they were not on > their way yet, so technically they were not refugees already, only the next > day or so. But maybe to portray them as refugees is justified with the > artist´s license to hop over this small time gap? I think, the pope did not > make the same mistake like me, but the journalist writing about the pope did. > Anyway, Wendy is right by saying they were not refugees when the portray was > "taken", and the sign becomes more complicated with this aspect of artist´s > license having to be included. Maybe it increases the number of required > pages to more than 20? > Happy new year, > Helmut > > 31. Dezember 2017 um 18:32 Uhr > Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > > Helmut, List: > > There are two accounts of the Holy Family in the Bible. Matthew includes the > flight to Egypt to escape Herod after the visit of the Magi, which is > presumably what the artist who portrayed them as refugees had in mind. Luke > omits that particular episode. > > FYI, www.biblegateway.com <http://www.biblegateway.com/> is a handy site for > looking up Bible passages, especially since it includes various English > versions and numerous other languages. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt> > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de > <mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de>> wrote: > Uh! Ive looked it up, and apologize. I am embarassed, why did I answer before > looking it up? Now I dont see the point in the nativity picture anymore, an > agree with Gary not to talk about it anymore. Sorry again, Wendy, happy new > year! > Wendy, > but Mary, knowing she was pregnant, could not know whether somebody she had > told this might have told it to Herodes´ spies? I dont know, maybe you are > right, I just have to trust somebody about this, and please forgive me, I (at > the time, hypothetically) rather trust the pope than you. I have not looked > the matter up in the bible, though. > Best, > Helmut > 30. Dezember 2017 um 21:35 Uhr > Von: "Wendy Wheeler" <wendy.j.whee...@btinternet.com > <mailto:wendy.j.whee...@btinternet.com>> > Helmut, > > The reason they travelled was as I’ve stated - as given in the gospel of > Luke. Had they stayed at home, there would have been no slaying of the first > born by Herod since the latter, according to Matthew, heard of the birth in > Bethlehem from the three wise men who came to witness it. > > I’m not concerned with the Pope’s comparison. > > Wendy > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30 Dec 2017, at 20:09, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de > <mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de>> wrote: > Wendy, > if they had stayed home, they would have had their first born slain. If this > does not make them refugees, discuss it with the pope, who also compared them > with the contemporary refugees. > Best, > Helmut > 30. Dezember 2017 um 20:57 Uhr > Von: "Wendy Wheeler" <wendy.j.whee...@btinternet.com > <mailto:wendy.j.whee...@btinternet.com>> > Dear Helmut (and list), > > I’ve come to this discussion both late and rather incompletely. I haven’t > read every contribution closely. Can I point out, though, and in case nobody > else has, that the Holy Family were not refugees. They were travelling to > Joseph’s birthplace in obedience to the requirements of the Roman census. > They returned home afterwards. The Trondheim Nativity scene under discussion > here thus looks like an iconic sign used to mislead. > > Best wishes, > > Wendy Wheeler > > Sent from my iPhone > ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or > "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but > to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of > the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > <http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm> . > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu > with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at > http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . > > > >
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