Jon, List,
well, your point too to me makes sense. I think, it is due to belief. With scientific methods like telescopes we only can look into the past when there already was matter, because photons have mass, are matter (they just don´t have rest mass). So is mind without matter hypothetical? But plausible, reminds of God, maybe it is the same topic?
Best, Helmut
25. September 2021 um 18:04 Uhr
"Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>
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"Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>
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Helmut, List:
HR: That matter is a subclass of mind (effete mind), doesn´t mean, that mind is primordial, if it cannot exist without its subset matter. ... Given, that "primordial" means being able to exist alone, and not being a higher level of classification.
Peirce prepared the entry for "primordial" in the Century Dictionary, and his first definition is the relevant one here--"First in order; earliest; original; primitive; existing from the beginning." Hence, that matter is a subclass of mind (effete mind) does mean that mind is primordial--first there was mind, and then some of it became matter.
Again, according to Peirce, in the indefinite beginning there was only mind, the psychical law alone as primordial. Some of that mind became matter, the physical law as derived and special--a peculiar sort of mind, effete mind, mere specialized and partially deadened mind, mind so completely under the domination of habit as to act with almost perfect regularity and to have lost its powers of forgetting and of learning. These are Peirce's own words, so anyone who claims that mind is impossible without matter is straightforwardly disagreeing with him.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:40 AM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:
Edwina, List,To me your points make sense. That matter is a subclass of mind (effete mind), doesn´t mean, that mind is primordial, if it cannot exist without its subset matter. That it cannot exist without matter, makes sense, as it is triadic. The sign triad too cannot exist without any of its three correlates. Given, that "primordial" means being able to exist alone, and not being a higher level of classification.Best,Helmut
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