Jon, Jack, List, Thank you! I see, that reality is "that which is as it is regardless of what anyone thinks about it". I am not a postmodernist or radical constructivist. Nevertheless, wouldn´t you say, that an individual can construct reality in the following sense: On one hand, possibilities are parts of reality: A not yet fulfilled possibility is real but not existing, and with a fulfilled possibility, this fulfilment is something that exists, and this existence is a part of reality too, which it hasn´t been before?
So, possibilities cannot be constructed (do radical constructivists or postmodernists claim they can?), but their fulfillment or instantiation can? About this question the background question arises, what possibility is anyway: Are possibilities positive characters, or is everything possible by nature, except what is (e.g. logically) excluded? Theologically, is the divine creation an act of setting logical (and maybe value related, like cosmologic constants, in case these don´t derive from pure logic) limits for the natural "Tohu Va Bohu"? In this case, nonexistent reality would not be uninstantiated possibility, but uninstantiated limitation of its, uninstantiated necessary failure. Best Regards, Helmut > Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 08.09.2022 um 23:54 Uhr > Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> > An: Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> > Betreff: Re: [PEIRCE-L] two kinds of vibration > > Helmut, List: > > I will offer brief responses to the specific questions posed. The much > longer answer is my entire paper, "Temporal Synechism: A Peircean > Philosophy of Time" (https://doi.org/10.1007/s10516-020-09523-6 or > https://rdcu.be/b9xVm). > > HR: Now, are time and space a kind of ether? > > > No, because although time and space are *real*, they do not *exist*. > > HR: A divine clock ticking, a divine measure tape of meters or parsecs > applied to the world? > > > No, because measurement relative to a *discrete *unit of duration or > distance is something that we impose on *continuous *time and space. > > HR: Or is time produced by events, and is space produced by matter? > > > No, time and space are together the medium (3ns) in which events occur and > matter exists (2ns). > > HR: Does the world consist of just and only signs? Or rather of objects, > and the signs merely denote them? Are just correlates? > > > According to Peirce, the entire universe is a vast sign--in my view, a > semiosic continuum that we *analyze* into individual objects, signs, and > interpretants as *entia rationis*. As such, the continuous flow of time > matches the continuous process of semiosis--the past determines the present > to determine the future, just like the object determines the sign to > determine the interpretant. > > HR: What now can the second tribe do to solve this paradoxon, or problem, > and win in the end? Anybody got a proposal? > > > What would it look like for the second tribe to "win in the end"? Their > postmodern notion of each individual constructing his/her own reality is > utterly incompatible with the very definition of reality--often invoked by > Peirce--as that which is as it is regardless of what anyone thinks about it. > > Thanks, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 2:47 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: > > > Dear List members, > > > > obviously there are two kinds of vibration: Acoustic vibration deserves a > > substance like air to have it vibrated, but electromagnetic vibration > > doesn´t, it delivers its own means to do so (vibrate). Before this was > > clear, people thought, that electromagnetic vibration (e.g. light) deserved > > a so-called "Ether". But this concept is long refuted. > > > > Now, are time and space a kind of ether? A divine clock ticking, a divine > > measure tape of meters or parsecs applied to the world? Or is time produced > > by events, and is space produced by matter? I think, Mach suspected so. > > > > Does the world consist of just and only signs? Or rather of objects, and > > the signs merely denote them? Are just correlates? > > > > Like with the two kinds of vibration, I see two quasi-tribal modes of > > interpretation of reality. One tribe says, that reality is a field we all > > have to obey, and compete against each other, following the field´s rules. > > The other tribe says, that we, each individual, constructs the reality, and > > that it is possible to abandon the fight, and start creating a better > > world. > > > > Now the paradoxon is, that these are two tribes, that fight against each > > other. This fight applies to the logic of the first tribe only. What now > > can the second tribe do to solve this paradoxon, or problem, and win in the > > end? Anybody got a proposal? > > > > Best, Helmut > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu > with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in > the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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