See, that is exactly the kind of problem I am talking about. First, not once in these quotes does Peirce say one starts inference with the truth. He says in these quotes that truth is the goal, not the beginning point.
Second, the only way to travel the path towards the truth is via empirical/mathematical research. Not merely comparing chapter and verse from Peirce’s writings (though that is of course not irrelevant). Dan > On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:15 AM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dan, you ask, Does one really begin inferential reasoning by asking “what is > the truth of the matter?” > Peirce says (EP2:240), “Every man is fully satisfied that there is such a > thing as truth, or he would not ask any question.” Also that “all > propositions have one Subject in common which we call the Truth” (EP2:173). I > consider both of these propositions to be true. > > Gary f. > > From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Everett > Sent: 29-Mar-21 06:46 > > > Dear Jon, All, > > My remarks below. > > >> On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:16 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Sure, but what properly counts as "real data" in this context depends on >> which of these two questions we are primarily trying to answer. >> What is the truth of the matter? >> What was Peirce's view of the matter? >> When we are trying to leverage Peirce's insights in an effort to answer #1, >> we must first answer #2 accurately, and his own voluminous writings are >> where the "rubber meets the road" in that inquiry. One more time, someone >> who declines to be scrupulously faithful to Peirce's own concepts and >> terminology will be off the mark when attempting to apply them in other >> domains. > > > Does one really begin inferential reasoning by asking “what is the truth of > the matter?”I would have thought that truth can only be revealed at the end > of inquiry. It seems to me rather than one proceeds by looking at data and > testing hypotheses on one’s best understanding, approaching the truth > asymptotically. > > As to what Peirce’s view of the matter was, yes, that is very important. But > the best way to illumine others is to proceed by explanation via analysis. > For example, you do this very well in your discussions of mathematics, > walking us through examples of how, according to your understanding, Peirce’s > ideas - if they are as you claim - would work. > > Since we know that exegesis of Peirce can be difficult (made much less so of > course by the Peirce Edition Project, one of the greatest intellectual > undertakings in philosophical history), examples help. For example “My > understanding of Peirce - give relevant quotes - has the following practical > consequences.” > > “Real facts”(i.e. facts whose theoretical significance is clear) reveal > themselves as we work; as we reach consensus. > > It isn’t that I don’t find all of these discussions incredibly useful! I do. > I just think that when we wind up quoting Peirce only instead of showing how > the ideas work out practically, we are not proceeding pragmatistically, as he > would have. He regularly revised his views in this way. > > Dan > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with no subject, and with the sole line > "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at > http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > <http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm> . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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