As with most definitional debates or what seems futile hairsplitting 
and mere semantics, the hope is that clarity as to definitions will 
help prevent confusion and mutual incomprehension at a later stage in 
the debate. For example, I think much of the debate in value theory 
could be more productive if participants were clear about how surplus 
value is defined.

Let me try this definition (open to revision of course):

Value is the socially necessary abstract labor time which potentially 
objectified in a commodity has as its only and necessary form of 
appearance units of money.

I believe that this definition follows from the simple fact that in 
an atomized bourgeois society in which social labor is organized by 
private money-making units social labor time relations can only be 
regulated in and through the exchange of things, however value is in 
fact misrepresented by this mode of expression.

In capturing Marx's quantitative and qualitative sense, one should 
probably build money and fetishism into the very definition of value.

This will help to clarify that Marx is not simply qualifying 
Ricardo's definition of value but stipulating a new meaning.

This definition of course does not capture the systemic and dynamic 
features which Chris B is attempting to build into his definition.

Of course a serious problem with my definition is that it may imply 
that units of money come to define the objectified social labor time 
that is socially attributed to a commodity, rather than money price 
being an expression of the socially necessary abstract labor time 
objectively needed for the reproduction of the commodity.

While I would agree that monetary measurement is not merely a passive 
ascertainment of a preexisting attribute and specifically that value 
is not actualized without successful money sale--that is a value must 
prove itself to be a social use value--the value that is expressed in 
exchange value is based on the objective social labor time that is in 
fact needed to reproduce the bulk of such commodities though as Marx 
emphasizes this value is in fact necessarily mis-represented in 
exchange.

rb

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